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Post by gary on Mar 28, 2017 20:57:28 GMT
Leading a MotoGP race is damned impressive, twist it as you will.
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Post by hoppur on Mar 28, 2017 21:04:46 GMT
Leading a MotoGP race is damned impressive, twist it as you will. I'm not saying the kid (kids) don't belong in the category. I'm just saying they aren't alien material. The next Crutchlow, perhaps, but nothing more.
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Post by beefus on Mar 29, 2017 6:44:21 GMT
Leading a MotoGP race is damned impressive, twist it as you will. I'm not saying the kid (kids) don't belong in the category. I'm just saying they aren't alien material. The next Crutchlow, perhaps, but nothing more. Poor Hoppur....only a couple of seasons left watching MotoGP until his hero retires.....then what??
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Post by neilf on Mar 29, 2017 7:51:34 GMT
I'm no physicist (I can barely even spell physicist), but I'm pretty sure those little cameras don't have the mass to cause an incident like we saw with Massa in F1. Suspension bits are way heavier and made of hard metals, whereas I'm pretty sure those cameras are mostly plastic or carbon fibre. Plus, if it actually fell on the back tire before the rushing air carried it away, it would be propelled by the tire upwards or forwards, not back. And it would also be a shame to ruin a rider's race because of a TV camera. I have no idea what happened with regards to Massa (it's F1 so I don't watch it!), but a camera of that size, travelling at close to 200mph will have enough kinetic energy to hole a radiator. A proper risk assessment will show that improved anchorage is required not only for the camera, but for the cable which is attached to it. Getting back to Zaro and Neil's comment, under normal circumstances it would be pretty impressive to lead the first 6 laps. But Sunday was different, with a somewhat jumbled starting grid and most of the factory guys taking it easy early on to feel things out. I'd say his leading those laps was more a case of Zarco being willing and able to take more of a risk than some display of talent. It wasn't like Biaggi at Suzuka or anything like that. It was the same conditions for everyone. You're probably one of those people who also think that a wet weather win means nothing! On MM: sure, he didn't hit Rossi, but he put a nice shoulder into Iannone (I think it was). Once again he has shown his arrogance and disregard for anyone but himself, knowing full well that Dorna will never dare do anything about it.
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Post by beefus on Mar 29, 2017 11:35:08 GMT
I'm no physicist (I can barely even spell physicist), but I'm pretty sure those little cameras don't have the mass to cause an incident like we saw with Massa in F1. Suspension bits are way heavier and made of hard metals, whereas I'm pretty sure those cameras are mostly plastic or carbon fibre. Plus, if it actually fell on the back tire before the rushing air carried it away, it would be propelled by the tire upwards or forwards, not back. And it would also be a shame to ruin a rider's race because of a TV camera. I have no idea what happened with regards to Massa (it's F1 so I don't watch it!), but a camera of that size, travelling at close to 200mph will have enough kinetic energy to hole a radiator. A proper risk assessment will show that improved anchorage is required not only for the camera, but for the cable which is attached to it. Getting back to Zaro and Neil's comment, under normal circumstances it would be pretty impressive to lead the first 6 laps. But Sunday was different, with a somewhat jumbled starting grid and most of the factory guys taking it easy early on to feel things out. I'd say his leading those laps was more a case of Zarco being willing and able to take more of a risk than some display of talent. It wasn't like Biaggi at Suzuka or anything like that. It was the same conditions for everyone. You're probably one of those people who also think that a wet weather win means nothing! On MM: sure, he didn't hit Rossi, but he put a nice shoulder into Iannone (I think it was). Once again he has shown his arrogance and disregard for anyone but himself, knowing full well that Dorna will never dare do anything about it. MM and AI did make contact after AI went wide on a left hander, MM was on the racing line.....nothing to talk about. Move on and take off the blinkers.
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Post by bella on Mar 29, 2017 13:29:40 GMT
I have no idea what happened with regards to Massa (it's F1 so I don't watch it!), but a camera of that size, travelling at close to 200mph will have enough kinetic energy to hole a radiator. A proper risk assessment will show that improved anchorage is required not only for the camera, but for the cable which is attached to it. It was the same conditions for everyone. You're probably one of those people who also think that a wet weather win means nothing! MM and AI did make contact after AI went wide on a left hander, MM was on the racing line.....nothing to talk about. Move on and take off the blinkers.
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Post by bella on Mar 29, 2017 13:33:21 GMT
That's the issue I pointed out, a camera dropping into the spokes could be fired out like a bullet, and quite easily penetrate a visor.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Mar 29, 2017 14:36:55 GMT
For me it is clear that the camera is attached by some kind of lanyard / lockwire. There is no way that the power / data cable kept that camera dangling and swinging around at up to 300 kph for 40 minutes without some other mechanical connection.
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Post by hoppur on Mar 29, 2017 17:59:47 GMT
I'm no physicist (I can barely even spell physicist), but I'm pretty sure those little cameras don't have the mass to cause an incident like we saw with Massa in F1. Suspension bits are way heavier and made of hard metals, whereas I'm pretty sure those cameras are mostly plastic or carbon fibre. Plus, if it actually fell on the back tire before the rushing air carried it away, it would be propelled by the tire upwards or forwards, not back. And it would also be a shame to ruin a rider's race because of a TV camera. I have no idea what happened with regards to Massa (it's F1 so I don't watch it!), but a camera of that size, travelling at close to 200mph will have enough kinetic energy to hole a radiator. A proper risk assessment will show that improved anchorage is required not only for the camera, but for the cable which is attached to it. If I recall correctly, Massa got hit in the helmet (just above the visor) by a suspension spring. Those are heavy and hard mofos. Nobody wants a camera flying around either, but as clipper pointed out they probably have some sort of this steel cabling that keeps them tethered. I'm pretty sure we have seen cameras dangling in the past as well. Getting back to Zaro and Neil's comment, under normal circumstances it would be pretty impressive to lead the first 6 laps. But Sunday was different, with a somewhat jumbled starting grid and most of the factory guys taking it easy early on to feel things out. I'd say his leading those laps was more a case of Zarco being willing and able to take more of a risk than some display of talent. It wasn't like Biaggi at Suzuka or anything like that. It was the same conditions for everyone. You're probably one of those people who also think that a wet weather win means nothing!"[/quote] Actually no, I rate wet weather wins pretty highly, although one always has to consider the circumstances. The guys on the satellite teams will always be willing to take greater chances than the factory guys, and they are usually only hoping for a few races wins, and not fighting for the title. Still, sometimes the wet allows guys with lesser equipment to shine (or at lest it did before all the electronics). But Zarco's little run was different. The track was green, but not wet, and the satellite Yam looks like a very solid package this year. He was simply willing to put it all on the line from the very start, and his talent couldn't keep up with his ambition. It happens. On MM: sure, he didn't hit Rossi, but he put a nice shoulder into Iannone (I think it was). Once again he has shown his arrogance and disregard for anyone but himself, knowing full well that Dorna will never dare do anything about it. [/quote] Yes, I'm familiar with Steve Buscemi, another fine talent out of Long Island. What's your point?
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Post by hoppur on Mar 29, 2017 18:03:21 GMT
I'm not saying the kid (kids) don't belong in the category. I'm just saying they aren't alien material. The next Crutchlow, perhaps, but nothing more. Poor Hoppur....only a couple of seasons left watching MotoGP until his hero retires.....then what?? You know I'm not a Rossi superfan, right? I'm just forced to play the part due to all the ridiculous anti-Rossi sentiment in here that people truly believe is "unbiased." Hence my sarcastic Rossi Muppet avatar. But you are the guy with a picture of Stoner on your profile, how are you getting by without Casey's whinging every weekend?
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Post by beefus on Mar 30, 2017 5:09:58 GMT
Poor Hoppur....only a couple of seasons left watching MotoGP until his hero retires.....then what?? You know I'm not a Rossi superfan, right? I'm just forced to play the part due to all the ridiculous anti-Rossi sentiment in here that people truly believe is "unbiased." Hence my sarcastic Rossi Muppet avatar. But you are the guy with a picture of Stoner on your profile, how are you getting by without Casey's whinging every weekend? I'm fine thanks....I enjoyed watching Stoner, one of the greats....wish he was still in MGP. But most of all I love bike racing. I'm not affiliated to any rider(s). And your anti-Rossi superfan denial is a joke.
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Post by norbs on Mar 30, 2017 6:14:10 GMT
Hoppur in your hilariously ironic new avatar why are you eating a Cadburys Chocolate Finger sideways? Is this a secret sign to other Vale fanatics?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 6:16:20 GMT
So that's a Rossi muppet avatar then....well at least that's settled. Wasn't really sure what it was.
Get an Uccio one instead.
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Post by nippon on Mar 30, 2017 7:02:35 GMT
I'm no physicist (I can barely even spell physicist), but I'm pretty sure those little cameras don't have the mass to cause an incident like we saw with Massa in F1. Suspension bits are way heavier and made of hard metals, whereas I'm pretty sure those cameras are mostly plastic or carbon fibre. Plus, if it actually fell on the back tire before the rushing air carried it away, it would be propelled by the tire upwards or forwards, not back. And it would also be a shame to ruin a rider's race because of a TV camera. maybe if the camera had become detached and lay on the track, another rider could easily have crashed on that and this is the second time it's happened to him. i agree though, it'd be a shame to bring someone in because of that but it's not exactly safe is it? at assen last year, his mandatory rear safety light wasn't working in the terrible conditions. he was allowed to stay out, yet you constantly go on about marquez being above dorna law...
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Post by hoppur on Mar 30, 2017 15:14:01 GMT
You know I'm not a Rossi superfan, right? I'm just forced to play the part due to all the ridiculous anti-Rossi sentiment in here that people truly believe is "unbiased." Hence my sarcastic Rossi Muppet avatar. But you are the guy with a picture of Stoner on your profile, how are you getting by without Casey's whinging every weekend? I'm fine thanks....I enjoyed watching Stoner, one of the greats....wish he was still in MGP. But most of all I love bike racing. I'm not affiliated to any rider(s). And your anti-Rossi superfan denial is a joke. No, really, if you were objective you would see that Rossi isn't my favourite rider or anything like that. I simply recognize that he is either the greatest rider to have ever lived, or perhaps second to Ago. And yet people in here just LOVE to spout bullshit about him having had special treatment (from his team, from Michelin, from the organizers...), a lack of competition, secretly being a conniving cuntish backstabber, having only mediocre talent, actually being worse that Alex Barros... I've heard it all. Plus, he's not British, so that automatically makes him nothing special (same nonsense for people who use hypothetical arguments to detract from Ago). That I defend Rossi is simply byproduct of intellectual honesty, and not so fandom. I too cringe at the obligatory camera shot of the yellow filled grandstand area at every race. I too cringe at those "fans" of the sport that don't know other riders exist. I can't stand that stuff. But I also cringe at the yearly, 'Young rider X is clearly more talented than Rossi and will steal his crown/break all his records..." That stuff is just as bad, and it's rampant in here. Not so easy to multi-quote on this new forum... or am I missing something? Anyway, yes, that's my Rossi muppet avatar, in the sense that it's my likeness with the Rossi colours on, Rossi coloured background, and the loud mouth. All classic muppet traits, right? I agree on the safety light. That is the responsibility of the team (at least it was initially. They haven't standardized it, have they?). So if it isn't working, that is his team's fault and he should/could be brought it for it. How dangerous it is is another question, since they did manage to race for what, 50 plus years without them? The camera, as we said, isn't his responsibility. Sure, I guess it could theoretically cause someone to crash, but then we also have to let riders stop coming back onto track with fairings full of gravel (cough, Crutchlow, cough), even that never seems to cause any issues. But please, don't start with Dorna and Rossi, since I think denying him any shot at fighting for the title in 2015 showed pretty clearly where their loyalty lies.
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