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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 14:08:35 GMT
Hope Crutchlow got his arsed kicked for that unnecessary bike totalling.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Mar 27, 2017 14:30:14 GMT
As I said on the old board, shme that Zarco fell off...
I am not so sure that we will see JL get up there in the near future though, I think he may be in for a tough time. If he doesn't get a top 5 in the first few races I think we might see him with issues.
I agree with the view on A Esp. (Can't recall who said it) but he does have a tendency to put in one or two great shows in amongst the usual "mediocracy", I put yesterday down to one of those spurious results. Good for him and Aprilia though and I hope I am proved wrong!
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Post by gary on Mar 27, 2017 14:54:15 GMT
I agree about Lorenzo - Qatar is considered a Ducati track.
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Post by hoppur on Mar 27, 2017 18:18:09 GMT
Transferred over from the "old" forum:
"no66 wrote: Zarco and Folger wildly overrated... yes ok, whatever..."
They are competent riders but most certainly not alien material, so I don't see any reason to get hot and bothered about them.
Zarco spent years doing fuck all in the lower categories before suddenly getting results (right after a few big names moved on), and it's all well and good to be a late bloomer, but it just seems clear he will never be a top MotoGP rider. Sure, he might end up doing better than the Brad Smiths and Hector Barberas of the world, but that's not saying much.
Folger is even more of a non-factor. He can be fast on occasion, but that's about it.
Both of them riding over their heads early on because they are desperate to make an impression makes for good watching, but it doesn't mean they will regularly compete. Zarco throwing it down the road in Qatar was the same as the name of David Brent's band.
Moving on...
Surprisingly mature ride from Vinales. He kept cool and did exactly what he had to do. I'm sure that having the practice and test results in the back of his mind helped, because he knew that he had the most potential by far, but the crazy conditions still made life hard. Full credit to him.
Dovi solidifies his legacy as the eternal bridesmaid. Still a great ride from him considering what he is working with, but the guy just can't get a break.
Rossi: no surprise to see a lack of praise here. From 10th to the podium isn't too shabby, especially since he seemed to be lost on setup in both the tests and practice sessions. It seems clear that he hasn't quite "lost it" yet, much to the chagrin of the majority of people in here, but simply made a mess with the setup work during testing. I suspect he will get it sorted eventually and be a regular contender as always.
MM: Oh dear, the golden boy looked rather average, didn't he? And of course everyone is going to blame it on the Honda, right? He has nothing to do with it.
Aleix Esp: Great ride and great to see the Aprilia racing with factory Hondas!!
Iannone: Yep, that's about right. Guy is infuriating to watch.
Crutchslow: Is anyone investigating him for insurance fraud? Seriously, it's as if the damage from the first crash wasn't quite serious enough, and he wanted to make sure it was a full write-off. His team must have loved that.
Lorenzo: We all know that his full potential only comes out when the stars align and he feels perfectly comfortable. This will be an interesting year...
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Post by hoppur on Mar 27, 2017 18:22:01 GMT
Excellent race...Hope this is an indicator of how the season will pan out. Couldn't be any different from F1! I know its pointless comparing the 2 but I was excited for the new F1 season...What a let down. Thank fuck for 2 wheels! F1 would need a major, major overhaul to gain my interest again. There was a shot from Qatar on Saturday night with Capirossi driving the pace car around to inspect the wet track. He was going at a good clip and ran right over a puddle under breaking. The car shimmied a bit but he (or the electronics) gathered it up well and then proceeded around the corner. All the while, though, you can see him clearly in the car driving with one hand while the is up next to his head (gesturing to the passenger or whatever). Just stood out to me because what would be considered a white knuckle moment for many drivers didn't bother him in the slightest. Four wheels is a walk in the park for him, even when hydroplaning.
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Post by beefus on Mar 27, 2017 18:32:23 GMT
No negative posts wrt Rossis ride that I've seen?? MM made the wrong tyre choice...should've stuck with the hard front...but just wanted to bring it home...so 4th is a good result Your crystal ball has decided that Zarco will never be a top Motogp rider...obviously!!!.
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Post by hoppur on Mar 27, 2017 18:36:13 GMT
No negative posts wrt Rossis ride that I've seen?? MM made the wrong tyre choice...should've stuck with the hard front...but just wanted to bring it home...so 4th is a good result Your crystal ball has decided that Zarco will never be a top Motogp rider...obviously!!!. Nothing negative, per se, but scant praise, especially considering the usual "Rossi has lost it" stuff we heard during testing and practice. My crystal ball is 1 for 1 so far with regard to Zarco.
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Post by no66 on Mar 27, 2017 18:58:20 GMT
No one can predict the future, but even your golden boy thinks a lot of Zarco.
“[Zarco] was very strong and I was curious about his performance with the MotoGP because we always worked with Franco Morbidelli last year and he said that he did something special with the Moto2, especially in the last 10 laps, and he always said to me keep attention because he will be fast also with the MotoGP".
We will se at the end of the season on how well he does.
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Post by pantah on Mar 27, 2017 19:24:59 GMT
Great racing at the front, i actually thought that Dovi had it nailed but Maverick stuck a couple of fast laps and smelled blood. Credit to Andreas though, he wasn't for giving up and it made for an exciting last few laps. Maybe Jorge should copy his settings or his style What the fuck or should i say who the fuck hit Rossi and smashed his camera? On bike it looked a serious hit. He rode awesome after that (note that Hopper) and shows that testing and practice means nowt. Only shame for me was that channel 5 gave the microphones to Waldorf and Stadler again. The usual Rossi love in and uber dose of verbal diarrhoea.
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Post by neilf on Mar 28, 2017 8:13:43 GMT
For Zarco to come into MotoGP and lead his first race for 6 laps and to post the quickest lap of that race, shows genuine talent IMO. He'll learn. Has he got the ability to challenge the top 5? Most definitely! Rookie of the year? If he learns to stay on; easily. Top independent rider? He has a good chance; "I know that my starts are strong and I overtook some good riders at the first corner and I then got into a consistent rhythm. I kept pushing but on the sixth lap, I decided to relax, and maybe I went off the racing line a little bit and then I fell at the second corner. This is a shame but we are always on the limit and I still need to learn the category so this kind of mistake is part of my lesson as a rookie in MotoGP." As for Rossi; yeah, a great tide to 3rd, but only 5th in reality because Iannone and Zarco fell off .
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Post by bella on Mar 28, 2017 10:22:15 GMT
Dorna need to scrap the night race gimmick and either give Qatar a daytime race or nothing.
There's been plenty said about the performances of Zarco and Espagaro but Folger had a great race too, coming back from way down the field to his final position after whatever it was that caused him to go back at the start, Early days but Poncheral will be pleased by his riders first race efforts.
Impressively mature stuff from Vinales, hung around till mid race then visibly turned it up and did the business, and with Marquez playing the long game and bringing it home for good points it looks like these two are going to be the show this season.
I also thought Rossi should have been black flagged or brought in and that camera taken off, it was a potential deadly missile if it had dropped onto his rear wheel, remember the Massa incident with a suspension part piercing his helmet.
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Post by beefus on Mar 28, 2017 10:59:18 GMT
I also thought Rossi should have been black flagged or brought in and that camera taken off, it was a potential deadly missile if it had dropped onto his rear wheel, remember the Massa incident with a suspension part piercing his helmet. I think it was Dovi who accidentally hit Rossi......good job it wasn't MM or the bike racing forums and social media would have gone into meltdown! ;-)
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Post by neilf on Mar 28, 2017 11:08:34 GMT
I thought that it was Cal!?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:08:48 GMT
Dorna need to scrap the night race gimmick and either give Qatar a daytime race or nothing. Didn't they have a daytime race when it first started? But the riders complained it was too hot? I think Fatty Ryder said that they pay loads to be the first GP of the season or something. Dorna all about that $$$.
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Post by hoppur on Mar 28, 2017 15:42:42 GMT
Dorna need to scrap the night race gimmick and either give Qatar a daytime race or nothing. There's been plenty said about the performances of Zarco and Espagaro but Folger had a great race too, coming back from way down the field to his final position after whatever it was that caused him to go back at the start, Early days but Poncheral will be pleased by his riders first race efforts. Impressively mature stuff from Vinales, hung around till mid race then visibly turned it up and did the business, and with Marquez playing the long game and bringing it home for good points it looks like these two are going to be the show this season. I also thought Rossi shoulda have been black flagged or brought in and that camera taken off, it was a potential deadly missile if it had dropped onto his rear wheel, remember the Massa incident with a suspension part piercing his helmet. I'm no physicist (I can barely even spell physicist), but I'm pretty sure those little cameras don't have the mass to cause an incident like we saw with Massa in F1. Suspension bits are way heavier and made of hard metals, whereas I'm pretty sure those cameras are mostly plastic or carbon fibre. Plus, if it actually fell on the back tire before the rushing air carried it away, it would be propelled by the tire upwards or forwards, not back. And it would also be a shame to ruin a rider's race because of a TV camera. And while we are at it and talking some comparisons to F1, we all (rightfully) give Dorna a hard time when they make mistakes and show favoritism to the Spanish riders, but they did a pretty good job with the whole wing situation. It was getting unsightly and crazy toward the end of last year, and these new "internal" wings are fine... for now. I'm sure we will see them showing up on the latest production race replicas as well, so some rich assholes can spend some extra cash to go .050sec "quicker" at a track day, but they might actually be useful for the WSBK teams using the bikes. My money is on Aprilia being the first manufacturer to incorporate them onto the RSV4. Getting back to Zaro and Neil's comment, under normal circumstances it would be pretty impressive to lead the first 6 laps. But Sunday was different, with a somewhat jumbled starting grid and most of the factory guys taking it easy early on to feel things out. I'd say his leading those laps was more a case of Zarco being willing and able to take more of a risk than some display of talent. It wasn't like Biaggi at Suzuka or anything like that. On MM: sure, he didn't hit Rossi, but he put a nice shoulder into Iannone (I think it was). Once again he has shown his arrogance and disregard for anyone but himself, knowing full well that Dorna will never dare do anything about it.
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