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Post by spuu on Jan 31, 2018 8:42:15 GMT
In terms of looks, never been a fan of hub-centred steering. Much prefer the conventional. Must feel very very different to ride.
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Post by neilf on Jan 31, 2018 9:33:15 GMT
But is that only because the conventional is the norm and it's what most of us have grown up with?
From an engineering POV, the Tryphonos is a simpler and more elegant design compared the Tesi/Vyrus or Yamaha GTS, with much fewer rose joints in the steering mechanism. This reduces "slop" and increases feel in comparision to the latter. Both the Tryphonos and the GTS have been raced at the IoM, each finishing inside the top 10 in the Senior; the GTS went on a massive weight loss programme though to achieve this.
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Post by spuu on Jan 31, 2018 11:40:15 GMT
But is that only because the conventional is the norm and it's what most of us have grown up with? Probably. Why did it never take off in gp's - is there a known reason? |
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Post by neilf on Jan 31, 2018 11:46:52 GMT
From what I have read, the tyres required a different compound compared to normally suspended bikes. Moto2 Dunlop's have been tried, but they were too stiff for the softer set up of a hub centred steered bike i.e. because the suspension and steering have effectively been separated, the forces that the tyres have do deal with have been reduced...
... or something like that!
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Post by neilf on Jan 31, 2018 11:47:47 GMT
Also, suspension companies have ploughed millions into telescopic fork development over the years ;-)
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Post by spuu on Feb 2, 2018 15:37:24 GMT
Makes sense. Still, if its that good in theory you'd still expect a factory to invest in it, despite being so far behind. The 4 stokes were rolled out vs who knows how many years development of the stokers and we all know how that ended.
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Post by beefus on Feb 2, 2018 17:43:53 GMT
Don’t like the looks of that suspension format.....regardless of how efficient it might be...I want joy of ownership too.
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Post by neilf on Feb 2, 2018 19:19:13 GMT
Don’t like the looks of that suspension format.....regardless of how efficient it might be...I want joy of ownership too. You can't see it when you're riding it ;-) |
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Post by matt989 on Feb 4, 2018 16:38:04 GMT
Despite a lot of effort into these set ups, I don't think we will see anything surpass telescopic forks for a long time.
The simple answer is feel, you can't get better than two metal tubes holding the wheel being directly connected to the handlebars.
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Post by spuu on Feb 9, 2018 11:13:22 GMT
Don’t like the looks of that suspension format.....regardless of how efficient it might be...I want joy of ownership too. You can't see it when you're riding it ;-) Neil you must have been cheering for Rocket Ron on the Elf  |
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Post by neilf on Feb 9, 2018 11:27:33 GMT
You can't see it when you're riding it ;-) Neil you must have been cheering for Rocket Ron on the Elf If I was into GP racing and was able to watch them at the time, I'm sure that I would've been cheering  I started watching and got hooked into bike racing in '89 (17 yrs old), when I happened to catch the Snetterton round of the British Supercup; it was the Nortons that did it for me with that "weird" engine. I always like to see alternative engineering solution which break tradition and delivers the same, if not a better, result. If I ever get the chance to try a Tryphonos, I might end up hating it, but from everything that I've read, it is a viable alternative. I'll soon find out when I win £113m on the Euromillions tonight... and I'll take it to Philip Island with Farside along with the Suter MMX500 that I'll also buy |
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Post by spuu on Feb 9, 2018 11:42:00 GMT
Neil you must have been cheering for Rocket Ron on the Elf If I was into GP racing and was able to watch them at the time, I'm sure that I would've been cheering I started watching and got hooked into bike racing in '89 (17 yrs old), when I happened to catch the Snetterton round of the British Supercup; it was the Nortons that did it for me with that "weird" engine. I always like to see alternative engineering solution which break tradition and delivers the same, if not a better, result. If I ever get the chance to try a Tryphonos, I might end up hating it, but from everything that I've read, it is a viable alternative. I'll soon find out when I win £113m on the Euromillions tonight... and I'll take it to Philip Island with Farside along with the Suter MMX500 that I'll also buy If you win 113m you are buying us all a Suter each for the PI trip. And we'll need business class lie flat beds for the return flight to accommodate all the people in plaster with broken limbs |
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Post by neilf on Feb 9, 2018 12:12:04 GMT
If I was into GP racing and was able to watch them at the time, I'm sure that I would've been cheering I started watching and got hooked into bike racing in '89 (17 yrs old), when I happened to catch the Snetterton round of the British Supercup; it was the Nortons that did it for me with that "weird" engine. I always like to see alternative engineering solution which break tradition and delivers the same, if not a better, result. If I ever get the chance to try a Tryphonos, I might end up hating it, but from everything that I've read, it is a viable alternative. I'll soon find out when I win £113m on the Euromillions tonight... and I'll take it to Philip Island with Farside along with the Suter MMX500 that I'll also buy If you win 113m you are buying us all a Suter each for the PI trip. And we'll need business class lie flat beds for the return flight to accommodate all the people in plaster with broken limbs Business class? First class each way mate!  |
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Post by Droog on Feb 9, 2018 13:27:52 GMT
If we are talking fantasy. I want this.  But I would settle for this. Although I would want the full WSB version not this show bike.  |
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Post by spuu on Feb 10, 2018 10:08:02 GMT
Those R7's are proper fantasy kit. I've never seen one out on public roads.
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