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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 26, 2023 15:28:12 GMT
MO just has bruising to his leg. Lucky man.
Looks like MM has a possible bust bone in his hand, metacarpel.
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Post by beefus on Mar 26, 2023 16:07:28 GMT
Double long lap penalty for Argentina, if he's fit to race. I suppose it will be suspended until he can race again?...I think that's a soft penalty.
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Post by mekon on Mar 26, 2023 16:43:14 GMT
If you wanted to game the system and realistically weren't going to do well, you could still do argentina as a write off and just do 3 laps and sack it off.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Mar 26, 2023 21:00:37 GMT
I liked the new format. The sprint race was good, but I'm not sure it will help get more manufacturers or teams interested. Seems more a TV rights thing.
This is the way.
Bagnaia has it in the bag? Looks like only other Ducatis or HRC torpedos will trouble him, unless Maverick can find that last ounce from the Aprilia. Was a good try today.
Marc, well, he has form and now he's fit again it looks like he's truly back. Didn't expect much of a penalty so no surprises there either.
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Post by beefus on Mar 27, 2023 5:51:43 GMT
The rules, I presume agreed by riders, are a double long lap penalty for a first offence of dangerous riding, second is pit-lane start, third is a ride through.....so they are doing it by the rulebook...even if it seems like a soft penalty for MM. A.Espargaro is like the footballer waving the invisible red card at the Ref after the opposing player has committed a foul, trying to get him sent off. He took out Bezzecchi. Throwing stones at glass houses and all that. www.crash.net/motogp/news/1022947/1/aleix-espargaro-marc-marquez-s-crash-they-have-ban-him-one-race-min |
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Post by mekon on Mar 27, 2023 6:40:02 GMT
Aleix will unravel this season. Once he's been beaten by Vinales a few times and he's not 'the captain' anymore he'll end up in the gravel trap waving his hands and kicking his bike.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 27, 2023 7:40:23 GMT
At least Oliveira can take away from this that he was competitive. Like he said, his worst position all weekend was 6th in the warmup. www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/03/26/must-watch-oliveira-vents-frustrations-after-marquez-clash/450943Good from KTM as well with new boy Miller running at the front for a time. Puig though, what a dickhead. It wasnt possible for Marquez to avoid the crash. It was because he used the hard tyre and it wasnt up to temperature, it needed maybe 1 more lap. He wasnt near the limit. How about if you are using the hard tyre dont push so hard at the start of the race. He went for it from lights out. He isnt a rookie. Vinales, Binder, Miller, Esparagaro and Martin were also on the hard front tyre. Puig sounds like the football manager trying to blame everyone and anything for his teams performance. How about Honda building a better bike. Marquez is obviously over riding the bike at the moment to make up for it. www.motogp.com/en/videos/2023/03/26/it-was-impossible-for-marc-to-avoid-the-crash-puig/450936 |
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Post by beefus on Mar 27, 2023 7:56:54 GMT
Puig though, what a dickhead. It wasnt possible for Marquez to avoid the crash. It was because he used the hard tyre and it wasnt up to temperature, it needed maybe 1 more lap. He wasnt near the limit. Puig has always been a bit of a tosser...very unlikeable. |
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Post by no66 on Mar 27, 2023 9:22:08 GMT
Double long lap penalty for Argentina, if he's fit to race. I suppose it will be suspended until he can race again?...I think that's a soft penalty. No, its doesn't carry over for the next race from what I'm reading. Puig is a tit. Love that MM gives all he has got, but time to reel it in, no need for loosing it like that on lap two. |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Mar 27, 2023 9:26:48 GMT
Oliveira may have been competitive, but Marc's over-exuberance cost him what was possibly his best shot of a decent result at his home GP where he had an advantage that he won't have anywhere else. Even without the incident it is likely that Nñales would have got him, Bezzecchi probably too, possibly even Zarco.
That doesn't make it OK of course, the penalty should be the same if you torpedo a front runner or a back marker, at their home GP or on the other side of the world. I'm just saying that it is more difficult to accept in certain circumstances, hence the media outcry.
I read an article in the Spanish press this morning comparing Marc's accident with Oncu's Austin crash for which he was banned for two races. It seems difficult to justify the difference in penalty all things considered.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Mar 27, 2023 9:30:18 GMT
Double long lap penalty for Argentina, if he's fit to race. I suppose it will be suspended until he can race again?...I think that's a soft penalty. No, its doesn't carry over for the next race from what I'm reading. Puig is a tit. Love that MM gives all he has got, but time to reel it in, no need for loosing it like that on lap two. I read the opposite! If Marc doesn't race in Argentina, the penalty carries. In any case I agree with Mekon, if Marc is clever he will go out injured (if he really is injured, seems odd that in Portugal they couldn't confirm the fracture...) and comply with the double long lap, then he can even retire into the pits and start with a clean slate in the US of A. Edit: Seems No66 was right. Just read that Marc had an operation on his hand and will miss Argentina and that normally the penalties do carry over but in this case the penalty applied only to the race in Argentina, so he will not have to comply in the next round. |
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Post by neilf on Mar 27, 2023 9:41:42 GMT
No, its doesn't carry over for the next race from what I'm reading. Puig is a tit. Love that MM gives all he has got, but time to reel it in, no need for loosing it like that on lap two. I read the opposite! If Marc doesn't race in Argentina, the penalty carries. In any case I agree with Mekon, if Marc is clever he will go out injured (if he really is injured, seems odd that in Portugal they couldn't confirm the fracture...) and comply with the double long lap, then he can even retire into the pits and start with a clean slate in the US of A. Edit: Seems No66 was right. Just read that Marc had an operation on his hand and will miss Argentina and that normally the penalties do carry over but in this case the penalty applied only to the race in Argentina, so he will not have to comply in the next round. Seems odd that the penalty wouldn't carry over, but missing a full race due to injury is more detrimental to a championship then a double long lap penalty with the possibility of sneaking a couple of points! |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Mar 27, 2023 10:34:34 GMT
It is odd.
The article says (clipper translate "on") "Due to a deficiency in the redaction, it turns out that if he returns in the GP of the Americas ... he will not have to fulfil the sanction".
He's a very lucky boy!
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Post by no66 on Mar 28, 2023 11:57:18 GMT
Just in, FIM are now saying MM will have to take the penalty at the next race he enters.
Niki Kovács
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The FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel just clarified its decision as regards applicability. Marc Marquez shall be served the Double Long Lap Penalty at the next MotoGP Race in which he will be able to
participate. So possibly at Austin.
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Post by beefus on Mar 28, 2023 12:43:04 GMT
Fair enough....he can't have any complaints about that.
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