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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 16, 2022 10:42:38 GMT
For 2022 did Ducati go too far with new designs in order to beat Yamaha? Will the 2023 bikes be more conservative in their upgrades this year? Or is too late for that? The Mooney VR team were 1st and 3rd at the test, assume they were on current bikes. www.motogp.com/en/test-results/2023/VC1/MotoGP/FP1 |
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Post by mekon on Nov 16, 2022 11:23:59 GMT
Well so far FQ and MM don't like their new bikes and Puig also says the new Honda isn't good enough.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Nov 16, 2022 11:24:54 GMT
At the test the VR team were already riding Millers and Bagnaia's bikes.
I did also read an article which was commenting on the Yamaha and HRC situation, with voices on social media interpreting their demise due to "poor" performance at the test, but as was pointed out by the author (can't remeber who) this was just the first time that the race riders have ridden a few versions of the proposed 2023 bikes. They are far from being fully developed and ready to race. That said, those that start ahead logically have less catching up to do. But no, its not too late.
Ducati can certainly dial the advances back and revert to a 2023 bike closer to the 2022 spec, in the same way that Yamaha can try to up the game in the engine department, there are over 3 months before the season starts. Plenty of time!
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 16, 2022 11:44:15 GMT
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Post by spuu on Nov 17, 2022 2:23:45 GMT
Honda should throw two things in the bin and start from scratch.
1) The bike
2) Puig
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Nov 17, 2022 9:29:11 GMT
A stat I worked out following spuu's post:
Taking the final positions of the two main HRC riders in the last 8 years and working out the average of the 2 gives the following results
3 Years "pre-Puig":
3.5th
3.5th
2.5th
5 years "post-Puig"
6th
10th
16.5th
9.5th
14.5th
Now I'm no statistician and I don't want to jump to conclusions but....
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Post by mekon on Nov 17, 2022 9:35:16 GMT
Even sillier this season is I read Suzuki are going to crush their GP bikes. What cuntery.
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Post by beefus on Nov 17, 2022 10:00:43 GMT
Even sillier this season is I read Suzuki are going to crush their GP bikes. What cuntery. Didn't Honda also do that with a load of GP bikes, what a waste... |
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Post by neilf on Nov 17, 2022 10:17:56 GMT
A stat I worked out following spuu's post: Taking the final positions of the two main HRC riders in the last 8 years and working out the average of the 2 gives the following results 3 Years "pre-Puig": 3.5th 3.5th 2.5th 5 years "post-Puig" 6th 10th 16.5th 9.5th 14.5th Now I'm no statistician and I don't want to jump to conclusions but.... “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” - Mark Twain It's got nothing to do with Puig; it's because Rossi left Honda to go to Yamaha for the 2004 season, Pedrosa was too small, Hayden was a flash in the pan and M. Marquez cannot develop a bike!  |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Nov 17, 2022 10:49:21 GMT
Well those 5 years with Puig are up to 2022, so his first year in charge was 2018. It's been downhill from there!
If there is any mitigating factor it would be MM's injury, but the decline started pre shouldergate.
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Post by bella on Nov 17, 2022 11:53:57 GMT
Anyone think Honda and Yamaha are sandbagging a bit to try and induce some Ducati complacency.
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Post by neilf on Nov 17, 2022 12:01:16 GMT
Anyone think Honda and Yamaha are sandbagging a bit to try and induce some Ducati complacency. Sandbagging during the tests? That doesn't seem like the 'Japanese Way' to me. |
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Post by mekon on Nov 17, 2022 12:11:30 GMT
I remember last year the 2022 Honda was supposed by the awesome and a weapon blah blah and it turned out shit. I think Ducati really do have YAmaha and Honda playing catchup, they can literally just forget about the horsepower side for a start. Yamaha and Honda are clearly way down and need to work on all fronts. Fuck know what KTM need. Aprilia still need better riders. That bike could have won the title with different riders.
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Post by no66 on Nov 17, 2022 13:12:38 GMT
KTM are saying that they are finally on route with their frame to give better feel enter, mid and exit. Hope they are right. Remeinds me of Ducatis CF "frame" with no feel. I wonder what their stubborness has cost them?
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 17, 2022 13:30:22 GMT
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