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Post by mekon on Aug 26, 2021 18:35:48 GMT
Who is better than Redding in WSB? Rea and Tophat? That's about it at the moment. Bautista is past it now I reckon. Rinaldi initially looked good but has fallen off, Sykes and VDM...no. Gerloff....maybe. Locatelli....maybe.
At the moment there's only literally 3 people winning all the races.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Aug 26, 2021 18:43:48 GMT
Who is better than Redding in WSB? Rea and Tophat? That's about it at the moment. Bautista is past it now I reckon. Rinaldi initially looked good but has fallen off, Sykes and VDM...no. Gerloff....maybe. Locatelli....maybe. At the moment there's only literally 3 people winning all the races. 4 winners if we are being literally numerically correct. Edit- Rinaldi won 1 and 2nd in Misano. Next year, Bautista will be winning a race or 2. |
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Post by neilf on Aug 26, 2021 20:40:49 GMT
I don't think Scott will win a race next year on the BMW. I don't think anyone will win a race on a BMW next year. BMW are doing a respectful job and if they stick it out they might start winning soonish, but expecting Scott to do what Sykes, VdMark and Folger have failed to do is a bit much IMHO. He is a good rider for sure, but not that far beyond any of those three on their best days (although the jury is still out on Folger). That's a bit harsh on Redding imo. He could beat Marquez in moto 2, won bsb at 1st attempt and is the first potential wsb champion on a Ducati since Bayliss. Not shabby. Don't forget Checa in 2011... but that's still 10 years without a championship win! |
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Post by armstrongracer on Aug 26, 2021 22:39:42 GMT
BMW will always be hamstrung by insisting on doing their own ECU in WSBK. Donington is fast & flowing which tends to mask throttle connection & TC issues, plus Sykes is pretty much a track specialist there. Think that result flattered to decieve. BSB using a control ECU shows there is not much wrong with the chassis & motor of the BMW. Think Scott will do ok for a while then hit a wall & get frustrated again.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Aug 27, 2021 6:19:01 GMT
BMW will always be hamstrung by insisting on doing their own ECU in WSBK. Donington is fast & flowing which tends to mask throttle connection & TC issues, plus Sykes is pretty much a track specialist there. Think that result flattered to decieve. BSB using a control ECU shows there is not much wrong with the chassis & motor of the BMW. Think Scott will do ok for a while then hit a wall & get frustrated again. Good point about ECU/TC. I was wondering if BMW are allowed different tuning between BSB & WSBK. BMW in BSB are allowed a few more revs, 380. Yamaha in WSBK seem to be stuck on pre 2020 rev limit. Odd. Similar for Kawasaki. In BSB, BMW have a smaller differential in rev limits to the others than in WSBK. So why are they struggling in WSBK? ECU/TC looking the key issue, but what other differences are there between the 2 series. Weight limits are the same, 168kg for all. Air restrictors are mentioned but no specs given. Guess they are all left as standard. www.worldsbk.com/en/news/2021/Initial+rev+limits+for+the+2021+season+unveiledBelow are the RPM limits for the 2021 WorldSBK manufacturers: Kawasaki (RR) 2021: 14600 Ducati V4: 16100 Yamaha: 14950 BMW 2021 (M): 15500 Honda: 15600 BSB is standard rev limit + 750 for all apart from Ducati. www.msvracing.com/media/6195/bsb-v2.pdf2021 BENNETTS BRITISH SUPERBIKE - REV LIMITS BMW S1000RR (2018) 14,200 +750 14,950 BMW S1000RR (2019) K67 14,600 +750 15,350 BMW M1000RR (2021) 15,100 +750 15,850 Honda CBR 1000 RR/SP2 13,800 +750 14,550 Honda CBR 1000RR-R (2020) 15,150 +750 15,900 Kawasaki ZX10RR (2018) 13,500 +750 14,250 Kawasaki ZX10RR (2019) 14,100 +750 14,850 Kawasaki ZX10RR (2021) 14,700 +750 15,450 Suzuki GSXR 1000 R/L7 14,500 +750 15,250 Yamaha YZF – R1/R1M 14,500 +750 15,250 Yamaha YZF – R1M (2020) 15,250 +750 16,000 Yamaha YZF – R1M (2021) 15,250 +750 16,000 Ducati 1199 Panigale R 12,000 +750 12,750 Ducati Panigale V4R 16,000 +0 16,000 BMW have won 2 races (+ a 3rd) with Buchan at Knockhill, and 2 (+ a 2nd) at Cadwell with Hickman. Those 2 riders favour those tracks, Hickman at Cadwell seems likely. |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Aug 27, 2021 6:26:20 GMT
I don't think Scott will win a race next year on the BMW. I don't think anyone will win a race on a BMW next year. BMW are doing a respectful job and if they stick it out they might start winning soonish, but expecting Scott to do what Sykes, VdMark and Folger have failed to do is a bit much IMHO. He is a good rider for sure, but not that far beyond any of those three on their best days (although the jury is still out on Folger). That's a bit harsh on Redding imo. He could beat Marquez in moto 2, won bsb at 1st attempt and is the first potential wsb champion on a Ducati since Bayliss. Not shabby. Maybe a bit harsh... but come on, nobody regularly beat Marc in Moto 2, certainly not Redding, maybe he finished ahead in a race once, probably at Donington? Anyway, I wasn't really out to snipe at Redding, he certainly is one of the top 5 riders in WSB at the moment. I just don't think that the rider is the only piece missing from the BMW path to a championship win. I would say the same if Toprack or Rea had been signed for them. |
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Post by mekon on Aug 27, 2021 7:11:19 GMT
BMW essentially got it right first time years ago but Melandri did a Bautista and crumbled to Biaggi and Sykes. After that i seem to remember the factory interest dropped.
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Post by neilf on Aug 27, 2021 7:43:05 GMT
BMW essentially got it right first time years ago but Melandri did a Bautista and crumbled to Biaggi and Sykes. After that i seem to remember the factory interest dropped. Different technical rules back then though! |
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Post by mekon on Aug 27, 2021 8:46:25 GMT
I don't know, I just get the impression BMW aren't getting any respect with this effort despite them having an enormous motorsport heritage. It certainly seems a better effort than the Honda, who everyone is willing to blow trumpets for.
Honda have had two genius level riders to bring home all the GP titles since 2006 and Hayden. They had Doohan and Rossi as well. The RC45 needed a headcase genius to win a title on it and the SP2 RC51 or whatever was them reduced to copying Ducati.
I think they'll figure it out if they continue as a proper factory effort. It's not like Kawasaki have a Motogp effort to feed info down and they have done ok.
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Post by mekon on Sept 4, 2021 10:43:38 GMT
So where is Jake fucking Dixon going in WSB as is the rumour? Honda?
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Sept 4, 2021 11:13:01 GMT
That was a great WS300. New leathers for TBA?
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Post by mekon on Sept 4, 2021 11:30:06 GMT
Maybe he'll buy some in 2022
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 4, 2021 12:01:10 GMT
So where is Jake fucking Dixon going in WSB as is the rumour? Honda? Thats the only way a Brit should be on it. Sykes has been in the series too long and new blood needs to come in, according to James Toseland. He said most the Brits in BSB are getting on a bit, apart from Skinner. There should be more Brits in Jnr WSS330 and WSS to feed into WSBK. But I think the main problem is there aren't any British teams there. Same as MotoGP etc. The British teams might complain about money, but if there are no British sponsors there are no British teams and fewer British riders. No point Brits complaining about the number of Italians and Spanish riding as they have the money in the sport. Look at Crescent, they have European sponsors so a Turk & Italian. Shaun Muir's team a Cloggie & a Brit. The Brits have done well in WSBK in the past, but for the future? Take a look at the number of British WSS riders, none. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 6, 2021 8:02:05 GMT
I got the impression from a few things on the grid interviews at Snetterton BSB that Tarran MacKenzie and O'Halloran might be in WSB next year. It made me wonder if the team are moving up. I hope so. O'Halloran is getting on a bit though, 34.
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Post by mekon on Sept 6, 2021 8:09:30 GMT
I wonder if JT will commenting anywhere next year? Some of his riding insights are good but his delivery is a bit flat and blunt.
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