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Post by philthewindsurfer on Feb 15, 2022 10:49:03 GMT
Individual countries have to have their own response to covid. There isnt a 1 fits all solution. Hospital beds per 1000 varies, so does the vaccine takeup rate. Smaller countries generally dont have so many specialists as larger countries. I was in NZ 2002 and when on the South Island I heard on the radio that their 1 and only brain surgeon had retired. So if anyone needed surgery on their bonce they had to fly in 1 of the 4 brain surgeons from the North Island. I googled this last year, and it was still the same. So yeah, fucking Nazi government  I see Tonga's 1st covid case was someone flying in to help with aid after the volcano erupted. The Cook Islands now have their 1st covid case. I doubt either islands has a massive healthcare service. Some larger countries are lacking ICU beds. Surprisingly, that includes Canada. nationalpost.com/news/canada/why-canadas-hospital-capacity-was-so-easily-overwhelmed-by-the-covid-pandemicAustria's got a healthy number of hospital beds, but the vaccine takeup is dire. Remember the news story about a large brothel giving free entry and a shag for any unvaccinated people coming in for a jab  Hospital beds per 1000 population.  data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS?locations=CA-NZ-GB-DE-ATThe UK bought up a large share of vaccine doses at the start (we imported a lot) and has a high vaccine takeup. So we are doing well at this moment compared to some others, despite some major fuck ups. The civil service dont pay well, so dont attract the best workers. I bet they dont have regular redundancy programs to get rid of duff staff either. A colleague I used to work with was a project manager who was made redundant (because at that time he was a little bit outspoken, he was a popular bloke) joined the local council as head of IT. For less money than what he was being paid. |
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Post by mekon on Feb 15, 2022 14:13:28 GMT
Well the UK and Sweden have obviously decided covid is no longer a concern. How much longer can other countries hang onto the policies which are becoming completely over the top for the medical severity of covid. This isn't just about covid. Covid is a change enabler.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Feb 15, 2022 15:17:50 GMT
Well the UK and Sweden have obviously decided covid is no longer a concern. How much longer can other countries hang onto the policies which are becoming completely over the top for the medical severity of covid. This isn't just about covid. Covid is a change enabler. It might mean the Canadians do something about their sub-standard healthcare system (compared to other developed countries). hospitalnews.com/canada-ranks-last-on-number-of-hospital-beds-wait-times/Maybe some of those lorry drivers should paint a slogan on the side of their trucks to say "<do something> and lets spend the $602m a week on the health service instead. |
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Post by pantah on Feb 15, 2022 16:02:26 GMT
Well the UK and Sweden have obviously decided covid is no longer a concern. How much longer can other countries hang onto the policies which are becoming completely over the top for the medical severity of covid. This isn't just about covid. Covid is a change enabler. Change UK to England. Johnson is desperately clinging on right now and trying hard to be a vote winner. Agree with the isolation rule, it's becoming outdated and expensive but i don't see the problem in retaining mask wearing as a precaution. It's hardly an imposition. |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Feb 15, 2022 16:20:59 GMT
Well, as of last week we don't have to wear a mask permanently when outdoors... It actually feels quite odd walking down the street without it on, and seeing other people's mouths and noses!
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Feb 15, 2022 16:43:07 GMT
Change UK to England. Johnson is desperately clinging on right now and trying hard to be a vote winner. Agree with the isolation rule, it's becoming outdated and expensive but i don't see the problem in retaining mask wearing as a precaution. It's hardly an imposition. Spot on. BlowJob is only making populist decisions to stay in power. It's significant that he's also making it more difficult to get tested so we won't really know the extent of the infection unless hospitals start filling up again. I'm glad that restrictions are being lifted but you can't ignore that vile cunt's motivation. He doesn't give two fucks if your granny croaks as long as he gets to play at being prime minister. |
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Post by beefus on Feb 15, 2022 18:21:52 GMT
No more masks required here from Friday, except on public transport. Let’s hope Omicron successors are of the same ilk because I can’t see boosters every 6 months going down well with the general populous.
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Post by mekon on Feb 16, 2022 7:59:08 GMT
If you don't even have to isolate with Covid, how on earth can it be considered a serious health problem? Previously you had cunts literally coming into work with flu and that was no problem.
Also what about the John Hopkins University report that said that lockdowns only prevented........0.2%!!!!! of deaths. That's right this was all for 0.2%. The MSM isn't that interested in this for some odd reason.
The CDC has also now changed it's opinion and apparently natural immunity could actually have been better than a vaccine. Well, shiiiiieeet.
AND NOW FOR THE REAL FUNNY PART!
This publication will be updated quarterly. COVID-19 deaths involving pre-existing conditions is split by broad age groups between 1-64 and 65+.
Please see below for death registrations for 2020 and 2021 (provisional) that were due to COVID-19 and were recorded without any pre-existing conditions, England and Wales.
2020: 9432 (0-64: 1557 / 65 and over: 7875)
2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)
2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)
2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)
If you would like to discuss this query further, please contact health.data@ons.gov.uk.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Feb 16, 2022 10:50:48 GMT
If you don't even have to isolate with Covid, how on earth can it be considered a serious health problem? Previously you had cunts literally coming into work with flu and that was no problem. Also what about the John Hopkins University report that said that lockdowns only prevented........0.2%!!!!! of deaths. That's right this was all for 0.2%. The MSM isn't that interested in this for some odd reason. The CDC has also now changed it's opinion and apparently natural immunity could actually have been better than a vaccine. Well, shiiiiieeet. AND NOW FOR THE REAL FUNNY PART! This publication will be updated quarterly. COVID-19 deaths involving pre-existing conditions is split by broad age groups between 1-64 and 65+. Please see below for death registrations for 2020 and 2021 (provisional) that were due to COVID-19 and were recorded without any pre-existing conditions, England and Wales. 2020: 9432 (0-64: 1557 / 65 and over: 7875) 2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923) 2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193) 2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630) If you would like to discuss this query further, please contact health.data@ons.gov.uk. Thats because we dont have to isolate now because this variant is less severe. The rest of your post, a quick google and newsites are saying: "views expressed in each working paper are those of the authors and not necessarily those of the institutions that the authors are affiliated with."
Not yet peer reviewed.
working paper
However, closing nonessential shops was found to be the most effective intervention, leading to a 10.6 per cent drop in virus fatalities.
“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” reads the paper, which is based on a review of 34 pre-existing COVID-19 studies.
Researchers excluded nearly 83 studies for consideration — including some that supported the efficacy of lockdowns. The most notable of which is a 2020 study published in the journal Nature that concluded that European lockdowns helped avert between 2.8 and 3.5 million deaths in the first months of the pandemic.
The Johns Hopkins researchers only wanted to study death rates: They discarded any study that examined the effect of lockdowns on hospitalizations or case rates.
Jennifer Grant, an infectious diseases physician at the University of British Columbia, told the National Post that focusing only on mortality is a “crude” measure. “There are other elements of lockdown that should be considered … hospital over-load and general burden of disease, including the need for hospitalization in those who fall ill and long-term consequences for the infected,” she said.Then I found this. Its worth a read, I wont copy the whole thing here. I'm not surprised a lot of media sites arent making more of this John Hopkins paper. www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/02/06/did-so-called-johns-hopkins-study-really-show-lockdowns-were-ineffective-against-covid-19/ |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Feb 16, 2022 10:54:48 GMT
The CDC has also now changed it's opinion and apparently natural immunity could actually have been better than a vaccine. Well, shiiiiieeet. Got a link to that? I found this www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101The US CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine. Jennifer Block investigatesThats not saying natural immunity is better than a vaccine. Its saying if you have previously had covid, you dont need a vaccine as your anti bodies protect you against catching it again. But the key point to remember is, if you have never had covid, a vaccine will reduce its affects if you do catch it. Whereas natural immunity means you have to catch it first, and survive it without side affects etc. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Feb 16, 2022 10:58:21 GMT
Always remember. Until they change the data from deaths FOR ANY REASON within 28 days of a positive test we'll never get to bottom of this. Well some statistician has got to the bottom of this, by looking at data from the ONS. They have identified 4 different ways of measuring it. One has a higher total than that used officially, it counts any death certificates where COVID is mentioned as a factor, 175,000. news.sky.com/story/four-different-covid-death-tolls-how-bad-was-mortality-in-2021-compared-to-2020-12513215The previous five-year average
So a better way of comparing mortality over time is to look at how the mortality rate compares to the previous five-year average.
Here we start to see that the current pandemic sticks out like a sore thumb. In 2020, the standardised mortality rate was 8.3% higher than in the preceding five years. That was the single biggest annual increase since 1940 - a year defined by WWII and the Blitz.Excess deaths would include those who didnt have covid, but didnt get the treatment they would have had if there wasnt this pandemic and an NHS service under pressure. So which ever way you look at it, covid is real. Always remember that. Regarding number of deaths and how they are recorded and reported, thats been discussed before. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Feb 16, 2022 11:15:30 GMT
When hit with covid back in 2020, it would take an immense amount to luck to hit on the perfect solution to handle it.
There was so much we didnt know about the disease and how to cope with it. It could have been far worse. Imagine a variant as easily transmissible as Omicron but causing as severe illness as the initial one.
I thought some of the measures were excessive, like stopping outdoor sports. If hospitals were overflowing and ambulances unavailable (which to a certain extend they were), I wouldnt have fancied breaking a leg windsurfing and waiting 12 hours for an ambulance. If someone wanted to take that risk, then let them.
Same for travel a few miles to exercise. Crash your car and there might not be help available.
Last weekend there was a rugby player who broke an ankle badly and team mates were told no ambulance for 11 hours. So his team mates took him to hospital in a car. When he arrived at hospital he was rushed into surgery straight away in order to save his foot. The whole health services is in poor state as it is without covid. Imagine how much worse it would be if we didnt have the first lockdown and subsequent restrictions. The huge waiting list for treatments would be even longer than it is now. Hopefully, with more investment we might get a better health service at the end of this.
Lockdowns had a massive hit on the economy, and people's mental health*.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
*edit some people's mental health, mines ok.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Feb 16, 2022 12:05:51 GMT
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Feb 16, 2022 20:44:42 GMT
Also what about the John Hopkins University report that said that lockdowns only prevented........0.2%!!!!! of deaths. That's right this was all for 0.2%. The MSM isn't that interested in this for some odd reason. Timings etc? Squashing the curve etc. Letting it rip would have been unmanageable. |
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Post by mekon on Mar 4, 2022 7:51:26 GMT
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