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Post by beefus on Jan 10, 2022 12:05:40 GMT
Like a lot of things in life, its not B&W. All NHS staff must be vaccinated. I think that was to protect patients from catching covid if they are in hospital and more venerable with some other problem they dont want to catch covid on top. But if they are working in a covid ward, that cant really apply. Staff wont be working on covid and non covid wards at the same time. As a consultant anaesthetist, he would be in close up contact with patients intubating them etc. If he is happy with that, then let him carry on. If he gets covid and dies (statistically unlikely at his age and health status by the look of him), thats his choice to remain unvaccinated. I dont think that is a covid ward, however, as we have a politician and camera crew wandering around. Being vaccinated doesn't stop you catching covid though, although it may stop you developing it and being more contagious for a while. As time has gone on, this omicron variant causes less serious illness, so should the same logic and rules apply now as it did 1 year ago? I dont think so. We need to move with the times. What will the next variant be like? If current vaccines are ineffective, its back to square one. We cant sack consultant anaesthetists, as they dont grow on trees. It takes years to get to that stage. I think the plan is to move them away from primary care as a first option before sacking them. Then maybe get them back in their initial roles after covid is out the way. I think an ICU nurse has to be a regular nurse for 4 years before they can train move into ICU. That could just be what a Dutch nurse told me though about their system. The UKs top windsurfing slalom champion for many years was a consultant anaesthetist. I called him a doctor once. 'I'm a CONSULTANT' was the first response  He lost his crown last year, I think he has been champ for 7-8 years, or more. I did wonder if it was lack of time on the water, or if young Scotty is really flying. His point was that he has already had COVID and therefore has a level of natural protection that is similar to being vaccinated...so why should he take the vaccine. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jan 10, 2022 12:30:48 GMT
Like a lot of things in life, its not B&W. All NHS staff must be vaccinated. I think that was to protect patients from catching covid if they are in hospital and more venerable with some other problem they dont want to catch covid on top. But if they are working in a covid ward, that cant really apply. Staff wont be working on covid and non covid wards at the same time. As a consultant anaesthetist, he would be in close up contact with patients intubating them etc. If he is happy with that, then let him carry on. If he gets covid and dies (statistically unlikely at his age and health status by the look of him), thats his choice to remain unvaccinated. I dont think that is a covid ward, however, as we have a politician and camera crew wandering around. Being vaccinated doesn't stop you catching covid though, although it may stop you developing it and being more contagious for a while. As time has gone on, this omicron variant causes less serious illness, so should the same logic and rules apply now as it did 1 year ago? I dont think so. We need to move with the times. What will the next variant be like? If current vaccines are ineffective, its back to square one. We cant sack consultant anaesthetists, as they dont grow on trees. It takes years to get to that stage. I think the plan is to move them away from primary care as a first option before sacking them. Then maybe get them back in their initial roles after covid is out the way. I think an ICU nurse has to be a regular nurse for 4 years before they can train move into ICU. That could just be what a Dutch nurse told me though about their system. The UKs top windsurfing slalom champion for many years was a consultant anaesthetist. I called him a doctor once. 'I'm a CONSULTANT' was the first response He lost his crown last year, I think he has been champ for 7-8 years, or more. I did wonder if it was lack of time on the water, or if young Scotty is really flying. His point was that he has already had COVID and therefore has a level of natural protection that is similar to being vaccinated...so why should he take the vaccine. I agree with him. If he had Delta, then he could still get Omicron as antibodies from Delta wont fight Omicron, iirc. Like I said, if you are just treating covid patients, then insisting they have the vaccine to protect patients against covid and sacking them if they dont is nonsense. I took the vaccine to minimise the small risk of serious illness in myself. I also think its a good idea for people to take it so hospitals dont become full so other treatments can go ahead. |
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Jan 10, 2022 19:55:55 GMT
And why the f@ck have Djokovic's family got Nigel Farage involved?.... I've never done hallucinogenics but maybe they would help solve that one? Its a balls up. Nobjockeyvictch should get jabbed and be done with it. Nobody comes out of this looking good. Someone known to the Mrs is still testing +ve ten days after a +ve PCR. Dropping self isolating to 5 days doesn't look completely sound. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jan 11, 2022 8:51:04 GMT
I caught the tail end of an interview with Shaun Warne on BBC. Final question was what will the Ozzie crowd be like if he plays and he replied, erm em, no cant say that on TV....
Warne also said Djokovic had lied on his travel forms about his previous travel 14 days before. I think he is lucky to be there TBH.
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Post by beefus on Jan 11, 2022 14:20:30 GMT
I caught the tail end of an interview with Shaun Warne on BBC. Final question was what will the Ozzie crowd be like if he plays and he replied, erm em, no cant say that on TV.... Warne also said Djokovic had lied on his travel forms about his previous travel 14 days before. I think he is lucky to be there TBH. The exemption deadline was the 10th Dec, but he wasn't positive until the 16th. Why was he granted an exemption by Tennis Australia?...Why did he do a PA on the 17th knowing he was positive? Something stinks here. btw, can u imagine Murray, Nadal or Federer fans behaving the way the Djokovic fans have been?.....Football mentality. |
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Post by pantah on Jan 11, 2022 15:05:16 GMT
In his statement yesterday he talked about the amazing Australian fans.
Can't wait to hear their amazing warm welcome when he steps on court.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jan 11, 2022 15:40:26 GMT
I caught the tail end of an interview with Shaun Warne on BBC. Final question was what will the Ozzie crowd be like if he plays and he replied, erm em, no cant say that on TV.... Warne also said Djokovic had lied on his travel forms about his previous travel 14 days before. I think he is lucky to be there TBH. The exemption deadline was the 10th Dec, but he wasn't positive until the 16th. Why was he granted an exemption by Tennis Australia?...Why did he do a PA on the 17th knowing he was positive? Something stinks here. btw, can u imagine Murray, Nadal or Federer fans behaving the way the Djokovic fans have been?.....Football mentality. I dont follow tennis and the players but going off what his family were like saying he was being held hostage by the evil bourgeoise colony he must be a real muppet. It all stinks. I guess Tennis Australia want the top player there (like Dorna would with Rossi) so are bending backwards to accommodate him. Seems he blamed the travel documents being incorrect on Tennis Australia as well. Did they pack his bags for him as well? Surely he has his own well paid and knowledgeable PA? |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jan 11, 2022 15:43:04 GMT
In his statement yesterday he talked about the amazing Australian fans. Can't wait to hear their amazing warm welcome when he steps on court. Monday, January 17th is when it all starts. Worth tuning in for if his game is at a decent UK time. |
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Post by armstrongracer on Jan 12, 2022 8:21:07 GMT
Turns out he's finally admitted to not isolating with Covid (photographs don't lie) and blamed someone else for a false declaration on his travel form. Throwing someone else under the bus is a cunts move IMO, throw the F**ker out.
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Post by mekon on Jan 12, 2022 9:14:24 GMT
This is the best bit of covid comedy I've seen from Australia. This is real.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jan 12, 2022 10:14:04 GMT
Always remember. Until they change the data from deaths FOR ANY REASON within 28 days of a positive test we'll never get to bottom of this. Well some statistician has got to the bottom of this, by looking at data from the ONS. They have identified 4 different ways of measuring it. One has a higher total than that used officially, it counts any death certificates where COVID is mentioned as a factor, 175,000. news.sky.com/story/four-different-covid-death-tolls-how-bad-was-mortality-in-2021-compared-to-2020-12513215The previous five-year average
So a better way of comparing mortality over time is to look at how the mortality rate compares to the previous five-year average.
Here we start to see that the current pandemic sticks out like a sore thumb. In 2020, the standardised mortality rate was 8.3% higher than in the preceding five years. That was the single biggest annual increase since 1940 - a year defined by WWII and the Blitz.Excess deaths would include those who didnt have covid, but didnt get the treatment they would have had if there wasnt this pandemic and an NHS service under pressure. So which ever way you look at it, covid is real. Always remember that. |
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Post by mekon on Jan 12, 2022 10:47:22 GMT
Wow. 8.3. Certainly worth destroying the economy over. Certainly not worth having Stockholm Syndrome over.
In America the latest stats are 75% of those who died has at least 4 comorbidities. Clearly a culler of the fit and well.
Let's face it. Riding at any sort of pace on the road is more dangerous than Covid. Chances are that if you buy the farm it probably wasn't your fault as well.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jan 12, 2022 11:47:12 GMT
Wow. 8.3. Certainly worth destroying the economy over. Certainly not worth having Stockholm Syndrome over. In America the latest stats are 75% of those who died has at least 4 comorbidities. Clearly a culler of the fit and well. Let's face it. Riding at any sort of pace on the road is more dangerous than Covid. Chances are that if you buy the farm it probably wasn't your fault as well. Thats 8.3% with all the lockdowns and measures. What would it been like if there were no lockdowns, carry on as if it was a cold. You still haven't grasped that basic concept have you, despite it being pointed out to you before. At the start of this, we didnt know exactly how bad it was going to be. Imagine what it would have been like if the original/delta variant was as easily transmitted as omicron? |
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Post by beefus on Jan 12, 2022 11:52:37 GMT
Looks like Johnson & Co have been partying like it's 1999 while the est of us had to suffer obeying the rules. Looking forward to his "explanation/excuses" at PMQ's today.
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Post by pantah on Jan 12, 2022 11:54:27 GMT
Looks like Johnson & Co have been partying like it's 1999 while the est of us had to suffer obeying the rules. Looking forward to his "explanation/excuses" at PMQ's today. Bet you a pound he doesn't answer a single question. The cunt. |
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