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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 10, 2020 19:18:10 GMT
I was guessing about who gets it offered first. It was actually decided in September from this government website. www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccinationThis interim ranking of priorities is a combination of clinical risk stratification and an age-based approach, which should optimise both targeting and deliverability. A provisional ranking of prioritisation for persons at-risk is set out below:
1. older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
2. all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
3. all those 75 years of age and over
4. all those 70 years of age and over
5. all those 65 years of age and over
6. high-risk adults under 65 years of age
7. moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
8. all those 60 years of age and over
9. all those 55 years of age and over
10. all those 50 years of age and over
11. rest of the population (priority to be determined)
The prioritisation could change substantially if the first available vaccines were not considered suitable for, or effective in, older adults. |
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Post by Droog on Nov 11, 2020 9:40:22 GMT
Unless I was dying, I would never take any vaccine that has had so little time to be tested for long term side effects. These things need at least two years of proper testing. Not six months. Other than that I'm happy to take any vaccine that has gone through the proper process.
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Nov 11, 2020 17:55:48 GMT
Unless I was dying, I would never take any vaccine that has had so little time to be tested for long term side effects. These things need at least two years of proper testing. Not six months. Other than that I'm happy to take any vaccine that has gone through the proper process. If you were dying, a vaccine would be too late matey. I get your drift though. Mind you, that Tam fella was pretty bullish about taking it. He's dramatically more trustworthy than anyone in the cabinet. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 15, 2020 16:47:49 GMT
Depends on how the vaccine is made. If it is a modified flu vaccine using the same principals but targeting CV19 footprint it would be safer than a completely new vaccine which encouraged the body to do something different. From this www.bbc.co.uk/news/54893437, it is a completely new vaccine which encouraged the body to do something different.
The vaccine contains a fragment of the virus's genetic material - or RNA.
It works by giving the body instructions to produce a protein which is present on the surface of the coronavirus.
The immune system then learns to recognise and produce antibodies against the protein.
It is true that no mRNA vaccine has been approved before, but multiple studies of mRNA vaccines in humans have taken place over the last few years.So what if your body doesn't produce antibodies, or your immune system goes into overdrive? IIRC, a previous flu'y virus was more deadly in younger people because of their immune system fighting it off too vigorously. And the steroid Dexamethasone used to treat patients with severe covid symptoms and speed up recovery works as it dampens down your immune system www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53077879 I think the following is spot on. I've certainly got questions which need answering, but by the time I would be offered it more information would be available. Claire Wardle, author of a recent report about vaccine myths on social media, says there is a "data deficit" around topics like mRNA technology - a situation where there is high demand for information, but credible information is in low supply.
"This leaves people vulnerable to misinformation, which rushes in to fill the gap," says Ms Wardle, executive director of anti-misinformation non-profit organisation First Draft.
"While credible information struggles to meet the demand, unreliable individual accounts and alternative news outlets are able to drive down confidence in vaccines," she says.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 16, 2020 9:42:04 GMT
There is a Prof Saul Faust from Southampton Clinical Research Facility on the BBC as I write talking about the Janssen vaccine they are trailing. Theirs is a modified deactivated cold virus. He said the Oxford Biomedica vaccine follows a similar method, as does the Ebola vaccine. From the link posted above Prof Almond says that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is the first to show the efficacy that would be needed in order to be considered for licensing.Just because it's a new technology, he says, "it doesn't mean we should be afraid of it".I've never been afraid of new technology, but I've always gone for v2.0 of new kit, let someone else iron out the bugs, or wait until its well proven before buying. The main issue I have with things at the moment is a dont trust a fucking word Hancock says. There was pressure on the HSE to approve 'isolation gowns' ordered from a British firm, but after a period of wrangling they were eventually relabelled 'disposable coverall'. I hope the government gets it's money back if the stuff it bought wasn't up to scratch. Even in the private sector I well know the amount of pressure 'managers' can put on staff to review and approve new projects in a hurry can be massive. Sometimes the pressure to implement new things on time can override all reasonable thought. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54897737 |
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 23, 2020 21:14:54 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 23, 2020 23:36:59 GMT
Boris Johnson, a man who (inexplicably) has got at least 6 women pregnant, tells the nation to be "jolly careful..."
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Post by mekon on Dec 2, 2020 18:32:01 GMT
So how many cunts have to be jabbed before the cunts that don't want to get jabbed aren't a problem
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Post by pantah on Dec 2, 2020 20:15:57 GMT
By getting the vaccine you are basically protecting yourself. If someone chooses not to get vaccinated then the problem is theirs.
I reckon they were too hasty to cancel the TT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Dec 2, 2020 20:24:59 GMT
I was trying to understand how this vaccine works and it's unclear whether it stops you catching/spreading the disease or whether it just stops you getting ill once you catch it.
I don't really give that much of a fuck tbh. Jag me up.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Dec 2, 2020 22:07:13 GMT
Yeah a Brexit Bonus. They say we are the 1st country in the World to approve a CV19 vaccine, because we have left the EU. Well done Rees-Mogg (thought he had retired he hasnt been in the news) and Hancock. Ta very much. Talking bollocks though, surprise surprise. www.bbc.co.uk/news/55163730 But the idea that Brexit enabled the UK to press ahead and authorise one is not right.It was actually permitted under EU law, a point made by the head of the UK's medicines regulator on Wednesday.What are EU rules on approving vaccines?
Under European law a vaccine must be authorised by the EMA, but individual countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine for temporary use in their domestic market.
Britain is still subject to those EU rules during the post-Brexit transition period which runs until the end of the year.
The UK's own medicines regulator, the MHRA, confirmed this in a statement last month.
And its chief executive, Dr June Raine, said on Wednesday that "we have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law, which exist until 1 January"..For example, the European Commission confirmed earlier this week that Hungary - an EU member - could use a Russian Covid vaccine in its domestic market if it chose to do so.In a lot of major EU laws there are get-out clauses to cover unusual events, eg CV19. Freedom of movement can be suspended in times of crisis, as seen earlier when EU internal borders were closed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNT162b2BioNTech is the original developer of the underlying vaccine technology, while Pfizer provides logistics, finances and oversees the clinical trials, and is the manufacturing partner of BNT162b2 worldwideBioNTech is a German firm & Pfizer American. Remember how they kept telling us the EU needs us more than we need them? I was trying to find out where the vaccine is going to be made and got as far as finding that Pfizer UK have plants, but on the news they have just said its going to be produced in Belgium. Oh, now that smacks of lets get supplies over here ASAP before the ports and roads get clogged up with traffic queuing to get through. |
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Dec 2, 2020 22:16:37 GMT
You'd think someone as intelligent as JRM would know. You'd also think he'd not knowingly want to say something incorrect that was easily corrected. Pillock.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Dec 2, 2020 22:18:15 GMT
But care home residents will have to wait due to logistical challenges.
Transporting the vaccine at -70c in smaller batches is the issue. They haven't got authorisation from the regulators to split the containers up at the depot and transport it in smaller batches. As soon as they get it, away we go. Just like the approval of all the shite PPE gear we bought, where the government put pressure on the regulators to approve the 'insolation suits' which were no more than disposable gowns.
Rees-Mogg & BJ banging on about how well the UK has done is a bit out of order when its a German firm's vaccine and American firms manufacturing it & logistics. More like an International effort.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Dec 2, 2020 22:20:09 GMT
You'd think someone as intelligent as JRM would know. You'd also think he'd not knowingly want to say something incorrect that was easily corrected. Pillock. He knows what he is saying, the issue is some people believe everything he says. Same as BJ/Cummings/Trump. |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Dec 3, 2020 12:06:37 GMT
Does anyone know what the implication is of the vaccine not beiong stored / handled according to the requirements (i.e. temperature)?
I personally think that this is where the problems lie, best case is that the vaccine simply doesn't work because it has "defrosted" at some point in the supply chain, so you might have batches of people thinking they are vaccinated when actually they are not. Worst case is that it turns you into a purple minion or something...
I'm kind of hoping that the Pfizer produced one will only be used in the first instances and that by the time my turn rolls round Spain will have switched to the later developed, but easier to produce and administer versions.
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