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Jul 23, 2021 18:06:48 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 23, 2021 18:06:48 GMT
Expat/Migrant, same thing on all sides to me! I don't mind either as long as they have the intention of contributing positively to where ever they are going to.
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Brexit
Jul 23, 2021 18:12:24 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Jul 23, 2021 18:12:24 GMT
Cracking bit of spin there Phil and I take my hat off to you! But the fact remains
1.2 million British expats in the EU. 6 million EU Citizens applying for UK Settlement status.
Oh dear. You didn't understand any of that, did you?
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Brexit
Jul 23, 2021 18:18:31 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 23, 2021 18:18:31 GMT
FFS your obsession is getting too much.
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Brexit
Jul 23, 2021 18:35:09 GMT
Post by philthewindsurfer on Jul 23, 2021 18:35:09 GMT
Seeing as nobody has given a response to this I'll offer an idea or 2. People work abroad for either better pay than at home or the experience. Some come to study and end up staying. The UK has had a good economy compared to some of the poorer EU countries, although the £ dropping to €1.15 from around €1.40-€1.45 where it should be wont be a big incentive now. The £ to Romanian Leu rate has actually improved, same as the € to Leu, so for Romanians working over here havent been affected by currency fluctuations. 20 years ago our pubs were awash with Ozzies and Kiwis behind the bar, not so much these days. Romanians are very good with foreign languages, I think in general everyone learns a foreign language at school. I met a Romanian couple in Germany and the women worked in logistics for Lufthansa and spoke several languages. The bloke spoke German, but not so much English. I said I was going to Romania on my bike later in the year and she mentioned if they didn't understand my Romanian (hadnt learnt any at that stage), didnt speak English, they were very likely to understand French or German. When I went to Romania, there were only 2 places off the tourist trail I stayed at where they only spoke Romanian (at 1 place a guest spoke fluent French so helped out with the finer details, think it was on-suite bathroom or room size). The other place they understood my Romanian, what nice people! So, where do Romanians go abroad to work? UK (800,000-900,000?), Germany (800,000), Italy (1.1m). Italian and Romanian languages are very similar. An English bloke running a B&B in Romania said he could understand 80% of what Italians said. More Romanians go to Italy than anywhere else and I reckon its down to language. Brits are appalling at foreign languages on the whole. There are over 1m Brits in Australia, which has a good economy (currently better than ours no I'd say), decent weather although its too hot for my liking, and most importantly, they speak English. So its no surprise that Brits dont work in Europe, as we are shit at languages. An exception is The Netherlands, it seems you can still make a career over there and not speaking the lingo *looking at Beefus here*. I bet the 1.2m living in the EU arent all fluent in the local lingo. There is old data from 2010, and the UK has the 7th highest number of people who were born outside their resident country as a % of the population. You can click on individual countries for more up to date data. UK data could change post Brexit. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Europe#2010_data_for_European_Union_28So just using the 1.2m v 6m numbers to determine where is the best place to work is a none starter, I think its more complicated than that, with language an important issue. Cracking bit of spin there Phil and I take my hat off to you! But the fact remains
1.2 million British expats in the EU. 6 million EU Citizens applying for UK Settlement status.
Now remind me why you think the EU is a better place than the UK?
Spin? You were spinning the idea that 1.2m v 6m meant that the UK was a better place than the EU. Those numbers are a fact, but not your reasoning. The Romanians favour the EU. Germany and Italy mainly. Thats also a fact. The top 3 richest countries in Europe are probably Germany, UK and France. Although one source lists as per capita and Luxembourg are top. I wouldn't expect their countries migration figures to be much different to the UK, seeing as its unlikely that Germans and French would move to somewhere else for better pay as they are higher earners. You cant compare UK v EU as the EU is made up of 27 countries of differing wealth. If you want to do some comparisons, try UK v France. UK v Germany.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:38:55 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 23, 2021 18:38:55 GMT
The EU as a whole is now claiming to be a state, right or wrong? So on that note there are 1.2M that have moved from the UK to the EU state and 6 fucking million Coming from the EU fucking state to the UK.
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Post by roobarb on Jul 23, 2021 18:41:09 GMT
VOTE JSRACE FOR UK PM
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jul 23, 2021 18:42:12 GMT
In 2003 I did the NZ immigration points test and didnt get enough points. If I had, there is a fair chance I would be living there now. I could have moved to France or Germany in 2014 when I was made redundant. I didnt as 1) I got back into windsurfing and Dorset is good for the stuff I do and b) I cant speak French or German. I think the language barrier is huge, speaking from experience.
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Brexit
Jul 23, 2021 18:43:34 GMT
Post by philthewindsurfer on Jul 23, 2021 18:43:34 GMT
The EU as a whole is now claiming to be a state, right or wrong? So on that note there are 1.2M that have moved from the UK to the EU state and 6 fucking million Coming from the EU fucking state to the UK. Wrong. Where did you see that?
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Brexit
Jul 23, 2021 18:49:28 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 23, 2021 18:49:28 GMT
You do know that the EU have requested diplomatic status?
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Post by roobarb on Jul 23, 2021 18:51:03 GMT
On the subject of potential UK PM candidates, where the fuck has Gove been hiding since the oddly under-reported split from his cunt wife?
In a quite expensive yet sterile hotel room listening to The Smiths and Joy Division on loop perhaps.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:58:31 GMT
Post by philthewindsurfer on Jul 23, 2021 18:58:31 GMT
Hardly turned the EU into a state kicking out all the member's governments. I thought you were going to mention the Strasbourg conference, May 2021, The Future of the EU. I did a bit of googling. ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/SPEECH_21_2381Of course, the start of the Conference is not the time to predict or prescribe outcomes. But there are certain dichotomies and issues that we should attempt to resolve. For example, some feel Europe is too close and too involved in their lives. For others it is too far remote or too detached. This is an opportunity for Europeans to help find the right balance. For some, Europe is too institutional or mechanical in the way that it works.If the EU did go for a Federal State, I dont think the Poles, Hungarians, Austrians, probably more, would go for it. Its up to them, we are out of it now. Its no good saying we got out at the right time as its not up to us to decide their future. If we had stayed, we could have voted against it or vetoed. Some of the smaller members have lost their ally on these matters.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jul 23, 2021 19:04:49 GMT
On the subject of potential UK PM candidates, where the fuck has Gove been hiding since the oddly under-reported split from his cunt wife? In a quite expensive yet sterile hotel room listening to The Smiths and Joy Division on loop perhaps. Keeping his head down so he can pop up and save the nation after BJ goes? Its not an easy time for government at the moment, dammed if you do or dammed if you don't. A bit less corruption and lies wouldn't go amiss though. Cummings popped his head up, admitted he skipped over some matters in his Roses Garden speech, didnt apologise, remains a cunt.
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Brexit
Jul 23, 2021 19:16:47 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 23, 2021 19:16:47 GMT
Diplomatic status for a group of countries as one, means it is a state or a country! Which is it?
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jul 23, 2021 19:27:57 GMT
Diplomatic status for a group of countries as one, means it is a state or a country! Which is it? Diplomatic status isn't for an EU politicians/commission position. I'd reject their application, but give them an Oyster card with a tenner on it as a compromise.
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Jul 23, 2021 19:32:20 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 23, 2021 19:32:20 GMT
Diplomatic status for a group of countries as one, means it is a state or a country! Which is it? Diplomatic status isn't for an EU politicians/commission position. I'd reject their application, but give them an Oyster card with a tenner on it as a compromise. Ha
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