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Post by mekon on Sept 5, 2022 17:58:44 GMT
It's all about supporting the current thing Phil. Remember 2012 when people used to protest the 1% and it was all Occupy Wall Street? Nobody seems to be protesting wealth inequality anymore. It's been conflated with climate change and racism. You've even got racism being bundled with climate change and guess who's fault it is....Even more gauling when the likes of Lewis Hamilton lecture you about it on his V8 speedboat.
You now are being conditioned to accept a reduction in living quality and freedoms as it's for 'the greater good', be it covid, war or the environment. I'm starting to think if we look at the history of the world, the only thing close to freedom anyone has maybe 1950-2000ish. We are now trapped by technology.
Anyway IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SAVE MONEY....watch Youtube shorts. The electric and DIY tips will probably kill you so that's money saved for quite some time.
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Post by mekon on Sept 6, 2022 5:43:46 GMT
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 6, 2022 8:44:06 GMT
It's all about supporting the current thing Phil. Remember 2012 when people used to protest the 1% and it was all Occupy Wall Street? Nobody seems to be protesting wealth inequality anymore. It's been conflated with climate change and racism. You've even got racism being bundled with climate change and guess who's fault it is....Even more gauling when the likes of Lewis Hamilton lecture you about it on his V8 speedboat. You now are being conditioned to accept a reduction in living quality and freedoms as it's for 'the greater good', be it covid, war or the environment. I'm starting to think if we look at the history of the world, the only thing close to freedom anyone has maybe 1950-2000ish. We are now trapped by technology. Anyway IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SAVE MONEY....watch Youtube shorts. The electric and DIY tips will probably kill you so that's money saved for quite some time. Covid restrictions were over the top in some ways, they didnt get the balance quite right, but stopped hospitals being overwhelmed. Remember the winter flu a few years ago, patients on trolleys in corridors. Imagine that plus covid. The NHS hasnt recovered, staff are leaving and we are having to employ people from Asia to make up for the EU citizens who have returned home. The French had recent protests with yellow jackets, but we dont want full scale riots like we had in the early 80s. Trashing our towns seems self defeating. Climate change is real and we need to modify our ways, become more green. Look at the floods in Pakistan. Look at the recent hot summer (in the UK!). Little olive oil next year as the crops failed. People who thing we are being 'conditioned' to modify our ways dont seem to think climate change is real. Its being educated, not controlled. The war. Yes the Ukraine government is corrupt, after electing a new president who was supposed to stop it. Do we ignore Putin firing missiles at residential flats etc. Will he stop at Dombas region. Moldova next? Then who? Corruption? Look at the Tories. Clear corruption. The "great reset" has been going on for years. Large supermarket chains, out of town shopping centres, all replacing the smaller independent shops. Smaller car manufacturers like Skoda have been taken over by larger firms. Large Japanese firms now running our car industry. Why? Because Brit cars were shite in the 70s/80s. Because the Brits like a bargain, dont buy British, eg Aldi/Lidl. They may stock British potatoes, but the profits go out of the country. We have sold a lot of our assets to foreigners. We are a sea faring island country and the only ferries we now own are the Scottish island ferries. The next GE will be important. Will Britains vote for more of the same, or probably worse, with the Tories. We are a democracy. If you fear the great reset, dont vote Tory.
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Post by mekon on Sept 6, 2022 9:38:41 GMT
Well Boris initially appeared to be a populist but Tory policy has been anything but. Pains me to say it but Corbyn has been talking more sense at the moment.
I think Czechoslovakia has been having protests to stop supporting Ukraine recently. Nothing much in the news but I heard some are also planned in Germany. I guess people's support doesn't extend to no gas and heating.
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Post by pantah on Sept 7, 2022 11:21:17 GMT
It's all about supporting the current thing Phil. Remember 2012 when people used to protest the 1% and it was all Occupy Wall Street? Nobody seems to be protesting wealth inequality anymore. It's been conflated with climate change and racism. You've even got racism being bundled with climate change and guess who's fault it is....Even more gauling when the likes of Lewis Hamilton lecture you about it on his V8 speedboat. You now are being conditioned to accept a reduction in living quality and freedoms as it's for 'the greater good', be it covid, war or the environment. I'm starting to think if we look at the history of the world, the only thing close to freedom anyone has maybe 1950-2000ish. We are now trapped by technology. Anyway IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SAVE MONEY....watch Youtube shorts. The electric and DIY tips will probably kill you so that's money saved for quite some time. Covid restrictions were over the top in some ways, they didnt get the balance quite right, but stopped hospitals being overwhelmed. Remember the winter flu a few years ago, patients on trolleys in corridors. Imagine that plus covid. The NHS hasnt recovered, staff are leaving and we are having to employ people from Asia to make up for the EU citizens who have returned home. The French had recent protests with yellow jackets, but we dont want full scale riots like we had in the early 80s. Trashing our towns seems self defeating. Climate change is real and we need to modify our ways, become more green. Look at the floods in Pakistan. Look at the recent hot summer (in the UK!). Little olive oil next year as the crops failed. People who thing we are being 'conditioned' to modify our ways dont seem to think climate change is real. Its being educated, not controlled. The war. Yes the Ukraine government is corrupt, after electing a new president who was supposed to stop it. Do we ignore Putin firing missiles at residential flats etc. Will he stop at Dombas region. Moldova next? Then who? Corruption? Look at the Tories. Clear corruption. The "great reset" has been going on for years. Large supermarket chains, out of town shopping centres, all replacing the smaller independent shops. Smaller car manufacturers like Skoda have been taken over by larger firms. Large Japanese firms now running our car industry. Why? Because Brit cars were shite in the 70s/80s. Because the Brits like a bargain, dont buy British, eg Aldi/Lidl. They may stock British potatoes, but the profits go out of the country. We have sold a lot of our assets to foreigners. We are a sea faring island country and the only ferries we now own are the Scottish island ferries. The next GE will be important. Will Britains vote for more of the same, or probably worse, with the Tories. We are a democracy. If you fear the great reset, dont vote Tory. Well said Phil. Or as the baboons in the green benches say, here here (appalling misuse of the English language).
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 7, 2022 16:05:44 GMT
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Post by mekon on Sept 7, 2022 19:27:11 GMT
Yeah it was the Czech thing. Not sure why I wrote the other.
Not a massive population so still a substantial number of people.
I reckon if you offered most people heating bills back to 2020 prices or Ukrainian freedom, most people would go with the money. Hasn't Salvini been saying the price of this Ukrainian support is too high and not a price worth paying?
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Sept 7, 2022 21:48:26 GMT
We should just nuke the Kremlin. Given how shit the Russian army has been, it's surely worth the gamble that their ICBM's are pish too.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 8, 2022 7:41:31 GMT
Yeah it was the Czech thing. Not sure why I wrote the other. Not a massive population so still a substantial number of people. I reckon if you offered most people heating bills back to 2020 prices or Ukrainian freedom, most people would go with the money. Hasn't Salvini been saying the price of this Ukrainian support is too high and not a price worth paying? 5% of Prague's population or 0.0066% of the countries population. 'Most' people? Maybe we should have kept out of WW2 after Germany invaded Poland. I still dont think the invasion of Ukraine was to 'free' the Dombas. Why did he attack Kyiv? Ukraine has been described as the bread basket of Europe. It is rich in other raw materials. Ukraine was heading more to Europe away from Russia. Putin didnt like that. He can sell his gas to Pakistan and India, and other countries who remained neutral on the UN vote about his invasion. Salvini ? A hard line Eurosceptic, ex deputy prime minister, who in 2019 praised Putin as "the best statesmen currently on earth", was in Poland to show his solidarity with refugees fleeing the fighting in Ukraine -- a trip that raised eyebrows back home given his previous anti-migrant stance and his staunch support for Russia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_SalviniCurrently his right wing party, Lega, has aligned with Draghi, despite Draghi's vocally pro-Europe stance. Sounds a lot like he will do anything to have a voice in government, a career politician. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Salvini#Draghi_government_(2021%E2%80%93present)Look at the 3 year voting polls, his party has plummetted. www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/italy/
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Post by mekon on Sept 8, 2022 8:11:10 GMT
I still think outright support for Ukraine will drop off a cliff. Everything is ephemeral now, nobody can be bothered to wave a flag for more than a few months. Some new Facebook cause will come up (remember Facebook is now taking direct requests from the FBI www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62688532)Not sure why Putin bothered with his invasion given how shit it's been but that's another topic. The americans would have just gangbustered the fuck out of the place with bombardment within 48 hours. Anyway.....I bought some jeans from Sainsburys for half price! Only cost me £11. Take that Putin. I also cycled to town for a coffee and changed my mind from a £4+ Starbucks to a £1.89 McDonalds Toffee Nut Latte. Take that Putin.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Sept 8, 2022 9:20:36 GMT
I agree. Support for Ukraine is on the decline, simply because it is starting to seriously affect the west.
When it was a civil liberty issue, people were quick to wave flags and support Ukraine against the Russian oppressor but when that support turns into having to pay double to heat your house in winter, it's normal that come autumn people are having a re-think.
Putin is smart enough to know this. Russia hasn't "gangbustered the fuck out of the place with bombardment within 48 hours" because that's not the objective. By dragging this out, making the EU and the west suffer economically for an extended period of time he is winning. The days of deciding who won a war by the number of dead soldiers or territory gained are over. Russia is winning this war by economic means, but the enemy isn't Ukraine, its us.
In a few months the Sun will have front page headlines about pensioners freezing in their homes and kids going to school hungry. And Putin will be sitting next to his log fire in his undercrackers, stuffing his face and pissing himself laughing.
Cold war? You bet.
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Sept 8, 2022 12:20:01 GMT
There was some article in the Express yesterday that Google suggested I read. Some right-wing mouthpiece with an agenda blamed the entire crisis on renewables. Seriously. The entire article was based on discredited disinformation and was, quite frankly a difficult read.
If we want energy security then that means that we are not reliant on imports as we currently are. The only way to achieve this with certainty is to accelerate the program of offshore wind, onshore solar/wind and supplement it with energy storage (pumped Hydro preferably) and hydrogen production. If Truss thinks that the answer to anything is to dig up more hydrocarbons to burn then she is exactly as thick as she looks.
Ironically, we were energy secure when we burned coal to generate electricity.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 8, 2022 12:54:41 GMT
Its Thatcher's fault, she closed down the mines and replaced it with fuck all from a UK derived power source point of view.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 8, 2022 13:03:54 GMT
Nobody seems to mind buying oil from the Saudi Arabia either, with their human rights issues, or cheap goods from China. It shouldn't really happen, but if the price is right..................
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Sept 8, 2022 13:44:23 GMT
Its Thatcher's fault, she closed down the mines and replaced it with fuck all from a UK derived power source point of view. It's an interesting view of recent history. Her only aim was to smash the unions but the reality was that the mines would need to close eventually. After the mines closed, we didn't stop burning coal to generate electricity for years. We imported cheap coal from other countries (China probably). So was Thatcher an accidental environmentalist?
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