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Post by masonmart on Nov 20, 2021 19:00:13 GMT
We've all now seen the transition from 2T to 4T, 800-1000cc, the introduction of ever sophisticated levels of electronics and the Dorna era of GP. My own feeling is that the transition has been a massive success in every respect and that we are currently in a golden era that eclipses any other. The standard of bikes and riders now is, for me, unprecedented with MGP being like MGP3 in terms of close racing. This is a result of electronics development but to ride these bikes at the speed they are being ridden takes incredible levels of skill too and, for me, the electronics enhances the spectacle not diminishes it in any way. Are there any now who feel that MGP has gone the wrong way or perhaps who look back to the passing of two strokes with regret?
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Post by mekon on Nov 20, 2021 19:12:53 GMT
Swings and roundabouts. In one sense I'd like to see the real god level throttle control but on the other hand that spreads riders out more and causes more injuries.
The 500cc era had some good races but was dogshit during the Doohan era, I preferred the lesser WSB machines that provided better racing.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Nov 22, 2021 13:07:19 GMT
All evolution has its ups and downs.
I miss the two stroke era, but I don't lament its passing, just as I won't lament when MotoGP leaves fossil fuels behind and goes all electric.
As bikes get more powerful, tyres stickier, electronics cleverer there is a tendency for people to think that the skill level of the riders is not as crucial but I disagree with that, If its so easy how come Rins falls off so much?
If I could reinstate any of the lost past rules or principles I would do away with control spec items like ECUs and tyres and let evolution take its "natural" course.
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 23, 2021 0:19:22 GMT
Are there any now who feel that MGP has gone the wrong way or perhaps who look back to the passing of two strokes with regret? I'm quite sure that technical advances are usually a good thing. Personally I've just fallen out of love with it. I think I've watched 2 races this year. Just can't be fucked. Don't know any of the personalities. This may not have happened had it not moved back away from terrestrial TV a few years ago. I think that the accessibility of it is more important than technological advances and its UK audiences must have plummeted when it moved to BT. |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Nov 23, 2021 7:17:41 GMT
What causes more viewer loss in any given market, a move to PPV TV or a lack of that country's representation in the MGP class? I'd say its a close run thing.
Viewing figures are down in Spain since it got put on pay TV, but I'd imagine that they are still quite a way above the UK figures.
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Post by mekon on Nov 23, 2021 8:59:01 GMT
Viewing figures may continue to drop if MM's eyesight doesn't get back on track. I reckon a Marquez retirement would be a hit for the viewing figures.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Nov 23, 2021 9:28:16 GMT
Viewing figures may continue to drop if MM's eyesight doesn't get back on track. I reckon a Marquez retirement would be a hit for the viewing figures. In Spain you mean? Don't think so. The peak viewing figures of MotoGP in Spain were before Marc was on the scene. People here are honestly more excited by Jorge Martín, Raúl Fernandez and Pedro Acosta. |
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Post by no66 on Nov 24, 2021 8:01:34 GMT
MGP is good and close.
M2 is a disaster at most tracks as the bikes are too close. Very little movement up the feild usually just up a place or two within a group. Dull.
M3 has the best races hands down, but is it too close and has become pretty dangerous. Mulitiple reasons.
Kids are been moved up way too fast and it all a question of getting to MGP as fast as possible. The MM effect?
Kids think they are invinceble and are taking risks. They are taking risks and dodgey moves beacause the bikes allow it. On a 125 you had to plan your pass and makes sure you keept your speed and line or you lost out. Very hard to make up again afer a mistake. Now you have riders able to podium or even win form 11th 3 corners from the finish!
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Post by mekon on Nov 24, 2021 8:04:08 GMT
I think the toughest racing this year has been Toprak/Rea/Redding. That stuff has been utterly to the limit of hard but fair.
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Post by armstrongracer on Nov 24, 2021 8:28:48 GMT
I don't like aero & squat devices, think its the slippery slope. In a world without these the Suzuki is probably the best overall bike on the grid. Fact, I've not watched a single F1 race since the introduction of DRS, I want to see races won by bravery & skill not Gigi's latest brain fart.
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Post by mekon on Nov 24, 2021 8:45:50 GMT
All these mechanical ride adjusters need to go. Soon it'll be whose the best at pissing about with things on their handlebars.
The aero should never have been allowed. Same with all the other not quite rule breaking things. You get one race with your new 'within the rules' invention then that invention should be written out of the rules. None of this had any relevance to anything you'll be using on the road - aero and ride height devices.
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Post by neilf on Nov 24, 2021 8:48:47 GMT
I think the toughest racing this year has been Toprak/Rea/Redding. That stuff has been utterly to the limit of hard but fair. "cough" Magny Cours "cough"  |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Nov 24, 2021 13:24:57 GMT
In proto-type racing, having things excluded is a bit ironic isn't it.
I remember being quite shocked when Crutchlow said openly that he had a problem in a race because the bike thought it was at a different place on the circuit so the mapping was wrong.
That to me is far more "advanced" than ride height devices and aero which are essentially analogue / mechanical aids.
Even then, I still think it should be allowed in GPs.
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Post by mekon on Nov 24, 2021 13:38:56 GMT
I'm past all this prototype shit I just want to close battles between the best riders. Advances in technology initially lead to a boring season when someone leaps ahead. It certainly does in the 4 wheeled sector. It's not like it's even man vs machine type shit like in the 70s/80s when power increased faster than the handling. Some fucker in a 1500hp Can Am car was hustling more than a modern F1 driver.
Most motorsport is boring as fuck now and technology is what has done it. The balancing point has been past. Look at GT cars now. Fucking boring shit with ABS and TC. The racing is shit. WTCR - racing is shit. If touring cars are shit you know things are very wrong. Even all the Rallyx I've watched this year has been wank. It's just follow my leader stuff.
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Post by masonmart on Dec 1, 2021 17:06:03 GMT
I think the toughest racing this year has been Toprak/Rea/Redding. That stuff has been utterly to the limit of hard but fair. Mekon WSB is the real deal now and a great foil for MGP. For me Dorna have just got everything spot on. You may be surprised that I still hate Ducati |
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