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Post by mekon on Sept 27, 2021 10:40:58 GMT
Loriz Baz has said he thinks the 300 class is the most dangerous because of the low power. Low power, easy to ride = big groups.
I guess this would happen if you put a fairly spread out field like F1 drivers all into Mini Coopers. They could all get the most out of them and the gaps would be very small.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Sept 27, 2021 11:18:44 GMT
Have you read Michel Fabrizio's resignation open letter?
It kind of aligns with what you (Baz) are saying. It's just that the young fearless riders are on the small bikes, it's the combination of small bikes (close groups) and young fearless risk-takers trying to emulate Marc Marquez (according to Fabrizio).
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Post by mekon on Sept 27, 2021 13:13:53 GMT
Yeah, not so sure about Fabrizio given he himself was a bit of cunt on track if remember rightly. You can't blame Marquez for kids pushing on, maybe just more of them realise you really need to push on than they used to?
There is always some 'wreckless' young charger. Even Mike Hailwood got accused of taking it too far a number of times and that shit was nearly 60 years ago. Hailwood's influenced Sheene's and Roberts who influenced Rainey's, Doohan's and Schwantz's and so it goes on. Most riders will get accused of being a bit strong at some point, most that win anyway.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 27, 2021 17:00:23 GMT
The smaller capacity classes will always have the least experienced riders. Jnr Superstock 33 & 1/3rd are all similar speeds, control tyres, so close racing. Maybe they do have too many on the grid, but how do you limit the numbers? They have had 2 groups and a qualifying race/last chance/whatever, but if you travel a long distance to race you need to race. Moto3 are closer in terms of performance than the old 125cc days. It is a bit scary watching it at times, as it is so close.
Fabrizio mentioned dangerous tracks. When he started talking of Rossi's incident, I thought he was going to talk about Simoncelli's death, at Sepang. What he said about Spielberg is correct, Rossi nearly got hit by a flying bike which came back across the track at high speed. Where Vinales fell was T1 Jerez, its not a dangerous corner. Neither Dupasqieur, Arrabiatta(?) Mugello. Craig Jones at Clearways, Brands Hatch. Tomizawa at the kink on the back straight. Kato at Suzuka. Sykes got hit at T2 Barcelona. That could have ended in a worse situation. Likewise Hopper at T2 Nürburgring in a similar crash. I think only Kato's at Suzuki you could say the track layout was poor as the barriers were close, but a lot of tracks are like that. Do we stop using them? Marquez cant be blamed, he has had several penalties over the years, he was certainly reckless at times. Comparing bike racing to F1 is ridiculous. Maybe at 37 Fabrizio is feeling his age, its certainly a case as when you get older you are less risk adverse.
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Post by mekon on Sept 27, 2021 17:47:16 GMT
He needs to get back to taking pictures of his bird's arse.
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Post by no66 on Sept 28, 2021 11:04:22 GMT
Been banging on about this for some time. You can get away with so much more on a m3 bike compared to a 125. Yes, there was a lot of bad riding in the 125 but you knewn that if you messed around too much you would loose out. Todays m3 you can be in 11th and still win with 3 coners to go. Same with SS300. Just stick in there and hope it sticks type passes.
Also the drive to win, move on and become a motogp rider is so strong and riders are seeing that is possible to make it from M3 to MGP in one go. A lot has happened in the past 8 years. Rebull fueling this hard. Win or you are out. Do or die, Redbull gives you wings....
And yes, every kid wants to be MM and have seen that you can get away with the impossible
Oncu knocked out for 30 minuets, no prob, ride the next day.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Sept 28, 2021 13:10:54 GMT
I agree thatt Fabrizio's use of Marquez in his letter was unfortunate and not really the right way about getting his point across, Marc is tough, but so are others, closer to home (i.e. WSB) you only have to look at some of the moves Toprak pulls and gets away with.
Ironically it seems to be Mahias who is getting the brunt of the criticism, sure he has tangled with a few riders, but from the commentary on DAZN it seemed that his involvement in the Sykes incident was more as an unlucky victim than perpetrator.
Finger pointing is easy, the track design, Marc, Mahias, the doctors, FIM etc. but it is probably not any of those in isolation, I don't know what the answer is. You only need to be hit by one bike to be serioulsy injured, often it's the rider's won bike (Luis Salom, Kenny Noyes, Nagai) so is reducing the field going to help? Neither of those riders were exceptionally young either so is it really an age thing? Similarly I don't think any of them were riding injured.
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Post by no66 on Oct 1, 2021 11:44:38 GMT
AE saying the same as I've said before
"First of all it's super difficult, it's not that easy or simple," Espargaro warned. "But secondly it's happening more than some years ago just because there are more young kids racing. I remember when I started racing it was just the Spanish championship and then the MotoGP world championship. There were not a lot of categories of young guys racing. Now more and more there are a lot of categories of young guys racing, this also increases the probability that things can happen."
Parity of equipment was also a factor, Espargaro affirmed. "The third for me is that the talent of these young guys is amazing and they reach the level of these small bikes with these small engines very quick. So the problem is that all these kids arrive to the level of the bikes so fast and the difference between them is so small. So the difference that a slipstream can make is so important because the difference is so small between them that they need to be very close."
The four strokes currently being raced did not punish mistakes, and that kept the field together, the Repsol Honda rider explained. "In 125 I remember the bikes were quite aggressive and strong and for example, a guy with no rhythm in the race could not follow a guy who was half a second faster, because he would highside. So this was due to the difficulty of the bike and the power of the bike so maybe this would be also a solution."
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Post by mekon on Oct 1, 2021 13:28:53 GMT
I was talking to a guy at Cadwell who was running a RC390 Cup bike on track. I asked him about power and Cup bike had less than the road!! They had 38hp!! I can be pretty hard on mine with 44hp on the road, so fuck knows, you'd be full throttle all the time on a track with 38hp. I guess you need more power to show the differences in skill. If you took it to Silverstone or Donington you'd just be like FULL GAS, BRAKE, FULL GAS.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Oct 2, 2021 9:07:20 GMT
Junior 33 1/3rd superstock superpole red flagged after 3 minutes due to most riders touring looking for a tow. About 20 did the penalty loop as an excuse to shake off following riders. Race direction tore a strip out of their arse in his pit lane talk. You cant just say they are young, and wont listen, they are all run in adult teams. If any team manager has said to their rider make sure you get a tow they need to be kicked out of the series. Its too dangerous. Time to get serious about this dawdling on the racing line.
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Post by mekon on Oct 2, 2021 13:48:19 GMT
Good.
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