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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 6, 2021 7:03:28 GMT
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 6, 2021 7:45:58 GMT
The superpole race results being adjusted to demote Toprac was a little bizarre. Teams have 30 minutes to put in a protest. Why did it take so long to announce the verdict? Guess its a penalty Yamaha cant protest. Rules are rules, and once they have said no discretion then thats it, they have to penalise him, even though Rea got in front of Toprac a couple of 100m up the track. Its clear why the rule is there, so many corners now have tarmac for safety and stopping cars from digging themselves into gravel and causing a red flag. They need the rule to stop riders cutting the corner as its now tarmac and not grass/dirt/gravel. Look at the Circuit of the Americas, a new track built for cars continually going over the white line. At Assen the final chicane has green to stop riders cutting the corner, it was dirt which got kicked up onto the track and you dont want riders cutting the corner. Whitham, Haydon, Toseland etc were saying they thought it was ridiculous that Toprac had lost the win. Whitham said if its dirt off the track then it will be self governing, riders will lose grip. Sometimes a bike's rear tyre can step off the track, lowsides and the bike and rider end up back on the track, like the unlucky Jason Dupasquier. We need the extra tarmac for safety. You could argue that where Toprac touched the green, the tarmac shouldnt be painted green at that point as its not an additional tarmaced area put in place for better runoff for cars. I dont think any rider would deliberately cut that corner to gain an advantage, the risk of dropping off the side of the track would be too great. I think they need to have a rethink on where they put the green paint down. Guess Rea noticed Toprac was 'on the green' and reported it to the boss in parc ferme. www.facebook.com/WorldSBK/videos/597687894580413/I wonder if they all feel a little embarrassed this morning, now the heat of the moment has gone. They have played the rule book by having a new version of their bike each year to get around engine rev rules, until this year when the FIM decided, at a late stage, the bike wasnt sufficiently new to warrant rev limit rise. Its not like its a brand new model and under developed. There are loads of shit on the race homologated bikes that the standard road bikes dont need, adjustable swing arm pivots, aero wings, it makes a mockery of what the series is all about.
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Post by mekon on Sept 6, 2021 8:00:25 GMT
There's always and an RRSP or RRRRSSSSSPPPP version of bikes since the 80s. I guess the fact that no road-going owner will ever adjust the swingarm points etc doesn't matter.
Best rule bending I remember in motorsport was the Alfa Romeo parts in the boot homologation special. The wing was completely illegal to fit to the car on the road but did come to be fitted.....
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 6, 2021 8:23:06 GMT
WSB form from the last 3 meetings. Rea had a DNF at Most. Toprac 164 Redding 136 Rea 120 Locatelli 102 Rinaldi 61 Sykes 53 vd Mark 52 Lowes 49 Bautista 47 Gerloff 43 Bassini 40 Davies 30 Haslam 21
I think the Pata team have got the Yamaha fully sorted now. Is it better than the Kawasaki and warrant an adjustment of revs next year? If Locatelli can be so consistent as a rookie then the bike must be good. On the other hand, he doesnt look like a crasher like Lowes. Last year in the R6 cup, Locatelli had 12 wins, a 2nd, a 4th and a DNF. Is Lowes making the Kwack look bad, or is he overriding the bike to keep up. I'm in the Lowes is a crasher camp, but no doubt KRT will be highlighting the difference between Lowes and Locatelli's performances as its down to the bike.
The bikes in the championship table go: Yamaha, Kawasaki, Ducati Yamaha, Kawasaki, Ducati BMW, BMW, Yamaha then 1st Honda.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Sept 6, 2021 8:25:01 GMT
There's always and an RRSP or RRRRSSSSSPPPP version of bikes since the 80s. I guess the fact that no road-going owner will ever adjust the swingarm points etc doesn't matter. Best rule bending I remember in motorsport was the Alfa Romeo parts in the boot homologation special. The wing was completely illegal to fit to the car on the road but did come to be fitted..... I find it funny that Ducati's RRRRRRRace bike has a smaller engine capacity than the road bike.
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Post by mekon on Sept 6, 2021 8:26:14 GMT
I thought it was funny that Toseland marked the Lowes brothers as crashers.
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Post by mekon on Sept 6, 2021 9:34:39 GMT
Just read Denning's moan and if it was in Motogp with a track with sensors then then he wouldn't be saying it was 'unsporting' it would just be the rules. Just because Kawasaki reported it doesn't make it any different from an automated system doing it.
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Post by neilf on Sept 6, 2021 10:13:15 GMT
A sporting gesture would be running off track, re-joining in front of the leader and then voluntarily dropping back a place behind where you were originally; in this case he should just except the outcome of race directions decision when being presented with undeniable evidence...
... rules are rules.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Sept 6, 2021 10:25:31 GMT
Don't remember Binder having his win stripped for exceeding track limits when he was running slicks in the rain.... The rules are the rules?
Binder got more of an advantage by using the green in Austria than Toprak did in Magny Cours, Bagnaia would have got to him if he'd backed off to stay on the black. Would Rea have overtaken Razgatlioglu if he'd backed off that fraction? Not so sure.
I guess that Ducati didn't protect though.
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Post by neilf on Sept 6, 2021 10:36:23 GMT
Don't remember Binder having his win stripped for exceeding track limits when he was running slicks in the rain.... The rules are the rules? Binder got more of an advantage by using the green in Austria than Toprak did in Magny Cours, Bagnaia would have got to him if he'd backed off to stay on the black. Would Rea have overtaken Razgatlioglu if he'd backed off that fraction? Not so sure. I guess that Ducati didn't protect though. Good point, well presented.
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Post by mekon on Sept 6, 2021 11:34:31 GMT
I think they said that Binder was still a time penalty ahead so it didn't matter.
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Post by pantah on Sept 8, 2021 9:42:37 GMT
Simple solution to this ludicrous pettiness. Stop green painting the inside of corners and just use the track. No cunt is going to go on the grass for advantage. In fact I would remove all the green paint Hopefully Rea's team end up with egg on their face over this. Cunts.
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Post by mekon on Sept 8, 2021 9:48:45 GMT
But if they had green bits with sensors like Motogp then 'the track' would have reported Tophat and it would have all been ok? I don't see why Rea is a cunt for basically doing the stewards job?
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Post by pantah on Sept 8, 2021 13:46:52 GMT
That's not my point. The rules are shite. What gains did Toprak make, Rea actually passed him next corner. Kawa team are still cunts.
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Post by mekon on Sept 8, 2021 14:42:18 GMT
Oh well it could still be the difference in a lot of sponsorships and ads with a number 1 plate in the magazines.
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