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Post by mekon on Dec 11, 2020 14:11:02 GMT
Joshua's opponent is 39 and imo looks it + some.
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Post by Droog on Dec 11, 2020 14:40:19 GMT
Five years ago my money would be on Pulev. But it would be a close thing. He is too old nowadays to win this fight. Still a good boxer and like Povetkin last month, could still pull it off with some old magic but it is a long shot. Joshua is still basic and predictable but he is in top shape and is the bigger, younger man. I feel like Pulev is here for one last big payday. He could go very early. If the fight is still in motion after eight rounds he might fancy it though. Joshua inside seven would be my guess but it has been a funny year results wise in boxing. Pulev is a sucker for the left hook.
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Post by Droog on Dec 13, 2020 0:13:20 GMT
***SPOILER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FIGHT!***
Strange fight. Strange card in fact. Hughie Fury actually produced a good performance. Okolie (who I don't mind as he is learning on the job but most boxing hard core fans hate) put in a cracking performance and looked excellent under new trainer Shane McGuigan.
As for the main event, I thought Joshua looked like a Wlad Klitschko clone. As in the version of Wlad who came back from a few losses and boxed behind the jab in a safety first style. It nearly went early in round three and a different ref might have stopped that fight when Pulev turned his back. But it rumbled on and although Joshua was winning the rounds, I thought Pulev was starting to come back into the fight from round seven. Joshua hit him with a lovely uppercut (not for the first time) and ended up closing the show in round nine. It was a cracking shot. But it came against an old man who was only really a top fifteen tier fighter by the time this fight happened. Pulev was once top five easily. What I took from the fight was that Joshua has been working hard to totally change his style. Good jab, movement and importantly some head movement. But he still goes backwards in a straight line when under attack. This is a big no no in boxing. More worrying was that he looks terrified when under pressure. And that is the crux of this drastic change in style. Like Wlad before him, they know he can't hold a shot at this level. Tyson Fury will exploit that and confuse him with ease. I really would like to see it happen but I would not be surprised if team Joshua make all the right noises but go in a different direction. They know beating Fury is a big ask so they will probably sit down and do some calculations. Financial ones. They will decide if taking two big money but losing fights against Fury next year will earn them as much as making a few (say five or six) defences against lesser opposition. Taking into account he could still lose against someone else but they'd still have their rematch safety clause. As of now, I think it might well happen.
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Post by mekon on Dec 13, 2020 15:03:03 GMT
Didn't watch the fight but listened on the radio. Didn't seem like the most exciting of fights. Hard to get an idea of what really went on without seeing it as sometimes you wonder what the commentators are watching, a bit like Toby Moody and his yapping. God could you imagine a fight being done by Moody and Ryder.
Boxing seems to have lost all its immediacy. Probably due the massive amount of wrangling it seems to take to actually even get a fight on the cards. You go back in time and fuckers like Duran and Leonard fought all the time but these chumps fight about twice a year if you're lucky.
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Post by Droog on Dec 13, 2020 17:08:37 GMT
Different times. The training camps modern fighters do nowadays take far more out of a fighter than what was happening even fifteen years ago let alone thirty or more. But the main reason the big fights take so long to happen is down to finances. Modern PPV events require big lead times to maximise the revenue in this new digital era. The contracts involved take a lot of sorting. Like anything in life, when big business gets involved it screws the sport. Football has to be the biggest example of that.
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Post by beefus on Dec 13, 2020 20:45:36 GMT
I really hope Joshua v Fury happens, but I read somewhere that Usyk was on Joshua’s radar for his next fight.
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Post by Droog on Dec 14, 2020 10:29:21 GMT
Usyk is mandatory for the WBO belt. He won't step aside and the WBO have already allowed Joshua a fair bit of leeway regarding this. Fury has already owned every important belt in boxing. He couldn't care less about whether all the belts are on the line or none are. Joshua camp claim they want to be undisputed so they want all the belts for the first fight at least. If they keep making noise about this, that's when you know that team Joshua don't fancy the fight. Ultimately money talks in boxing.
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Post by mekon on Dec 14, 2020 10:47:38 GMT
Do you think if there was no money wrangling that Joshua would dodge Fury?
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Post by Droog on Dec 14, 2020 11:12:52 GMT
As I said previously, Joshua has more to lose because it is very unlikely he can beat Fury. Fury will be 100% up for it because it is a two fight deal against an opponent who is practically made for him style wise and it is mega money. Team Joshua will do the calculations and then decide. Right now I think there is an appetite to make it happen by both camps. But that could all change.
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Post by spentcase on Jan 14, 2021 11:23:47 GMT
For Droog, I know you're a fan of the sweet science, mate, but the UFC main card this weekend between Kalvn Kattar and Max Holloway, might interest you. Both of them are all about the hands and it promises to be a hell of a stand-up.
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Post by Droog on Jan 14, 2021 14:47:17 GMT
I like UFC but I kind of lost touch with it these past five years or so. I dip in now and then but haven't watched a card in well over a year or more. I used to watch TUF religiously so I knew most of the emerging talent. I think boxing has gotten so competitive over the last five years that it has left me few weekends where there wasn't a good card on. I will give it a go this weekend though.
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Post by bella on Jan 14, 2021 19:41:01 GMT
On the subject of Boxing & fight fees i'm currently reading Four Kings, the book about that 80s era of Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, its really good reading but fuck me there were some mind boggling differences in what those guys got for facing each other or sharing the same bill and Leonard sure did cream it off due to good management while Hagler was on almost a pittance for bloody ages. I've been watching those epics on you tube to refresh the memory and see how good and brutal those guys were, and then finished up seeing the pitiful state of Wilfred Benitez, heart rending stuff to see how a handsome man ended up like that, reminds me in ways of Wayne Rainey.
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Post by Droog on Jan 14, 2021 19:59:00 GMT
Boxing is littered with ex champs who ended up financially and mentally broken after their careers ended. Not all of it down to greedy promoters or managers but some of the contracts I have seen are obscene. Things have definitely improved in that area. I don't think people realise how little most boxers actually takes home from their purse. You'd be surprised how little the majority of them get paid. I've known of a boxer defending an European belt as the main attraction on a televised card earning as little as £25,000. Once that is split up between training camp fees, manager, promoter and the tax man, the fighter is left with around £9000. That £9000 represents between four and six months earnings depending on how many times they fight in a year. If you only fight once that year you're better off on the dole. Having said that, I know of prospects coming through on good retainers and a weekly wage plus their fight purses. A lot depends on how you come through and who with.
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Post by mekon on Jan 22, 2021 13:17:24 GMT
So then.....McGregor the sex assaulter vs. Poirer. What are you thinking. I hope McGregor gets starched but I think he's only doing sure things these days.
Max Holloway rematch needs to happen after Max's display the other weekend.
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Post by spentcase on Jan 23, 2021 18:28:08 GMT
Poirier definitely can do it, but I can't see past McGregor's left hand.
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