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Post by Droog on Nov 5, 2019 7:24:48 GMT
I don't care what their spec sheet says, that is an evolution of a very old and tired design. There is fuck all ground breaking about that bike. I'm seeing the same frame spars and engine cases as what was on the 2008 bike. I'm sure they are major modifications and I understand the shock top mount is now attached to the engine rather than the frame, but Bautista is fucked. What Honda needed was a complete ground up new design.
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Post by neilf on Nov 5, 2019 8:47:22 GMT
But it's got a bigger screen!  |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 5, 2019 9:49:29 GMT
More power, improved aerodynamics with wings, dull red paint (hopefully thats just the photo and not real life), better looking can than a lot of older Blades. On paper it should beat the other inline 4s, seems powerful, but the Ducati has more cc and revs a bit lower so more usable. 14,500 rpm for peak power, 12,500 rpm for peak torque seems very high for a road bike. How will HRC get more out of it from that starting point? www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2019/november/new-honda-fireblade-2020-cbr1000rrr |
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Post by mekon on Nov 5, 2019 10:15:07 GMT
Will be fast as fuck with those orange reflectors off a Raleigh Budgie on.
Why do all modern bikes look like something out of a Transformers movie. I think the looks of bikes peaked about 2010, now we're just into odd angles and shit. It's not like it's even dictated by safety regs like cars, which have to be able to bounce a ped off the front end and other shit.
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Post by beefus on Nov 5, 2019 18:57:28 GMT
Marquez likes it!....surprisingly!....chatting away as he gets elbow down!
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Post by beefus on Nov 5, 2019 19:22:51 GMT
It’s an improvement over the previous incarnations, I quite like it....and hopefully it’ll be a good base for Bautista and Haslam.
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Nov 5, 2019 20:25:45 GMT
It’s an improvement over the previous incarnations, I quite like it....and hopefully it’ll be a good base for Bautista and Haslam. I agree but Droog's points are still sound. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 6, 2019 12:51:18 GMT
If it produces its torque at a giddy rev height its going to take some work to make it rideable across the variety of circuits.
I think there is a rev limit, not sure what and how close it is to that limit already.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 6, 2019 12:56:09 GMT
The proposed rev limit at the start of 2019 in the provisional regulations as follows. Not sure how it ended up at the end.
Aprilia 14700
BMW 14950
Ducati V2 12400
Ducati V4 TBC
Honda 14550
Kawasaki 2018 14100
Kawasaki 2019 TBC
MV Agusta 14950
Suzuki 14900
Yamaha 14700
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 6, 2019 12:58:34 GMT
From Round 4 – Motul Dutch Round (Assen) - the rev limits will be:
Brand Rev-Limit
Aprilia 14700
BMW 14950
BMW 2019 14900
Ducati V2 12400
Ducati V4 16100
Honda 15050
Kawasaki 2018 14100
Kawasaki 2019 14600
MV Agusta 14950
Suzuki 14900
Yamaha 14700
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 7, 2019 10:35:51 GMT
BSB rev limits:
The ECU will have a fixed rev limit acting at 750rpm above standard
street limit with an absolute maximum of 16,000rpm, as prescribed by
the MCRCB/MSVR.
2019 BENNETTS BRITISH SUPERBIKE - REV LIMITS
BMW S1000RR (2018) 14,200 +750 14,950
BMW S1000RR (2019) K67 14,600 +750 15,350
Honda CBR 1000 RR/SP2 13,800 +750 14,550
Kawasaki ZX10RR (2018) 13,500 +750 14,250
Kawasaki ZX10RR (2019) 14,100 +750 14,850
Suzuki GSXR 1000 R/L7 14,500 +750 15,250
Yamaha YZF – R1/R1M 14,500 +750 15,250
Ducati 1199 Panigale R 12,000 +750 12,750
Ducati Panigale V4R 16,000 +0 16,000
So is the Honda in WSB helped more by having a larger rev limit compared to the Kwak, and hindered in BSB by just having a fixes +750 regulation? Maybe the Honda cant rev that high and be usable anyway. In BSB it could mean that the new Honda is more competitive than it is now.
Although it would be the spread of power which is more important than absolute numbers.
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 16, 2019 13:42:39 GMT
Those power figures will be important for racing but will mean absolutely fuck all on the road. I can't get anywhere near my bike's (alleged) 178bhp so fuck knows what use 215 will be. It's designed to win Superbike racing and to give tiny cocked gentlemen something to boast about.
Still, wouldn't mind a test ride...
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Post by mekon on Nov 16, 2019 16:14:32 GMT
If the power to cock size thing holds true then mine has been shrinking for 25 years. Probably best though as I used it more in my youth.
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