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Jul 22, 2021 10:15:25 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Jul 22, 2021 10:15:25 GMT
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Jul 22, 2021 10:51:14 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Jul 22, 2021 10:51:14 GMT
Kwasi Kwarteng admitting that they haven't got a fucking clue what they're doing.
Maybe Irish reunification will be a positive outcome of this shambles.
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Jul 22, 2021 11:16:46 GMT
Post by neilf on Jul 22, 2021 11:16:46 GMT
I voted for Brexit and I am neither racist, nor xenophobic. I couldn't give two shits who wants to come into the UK to work and live, as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. The fuck ups in this women's case are, as with many in her position, the procedures which have been put in place to process applications and the bureaucrats running it; the fact that she has been paying tax and national insurance for 30-odd years should make things easier for her stay, not harder! |
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Jul 22, 2021 11:19:00 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 22, 2021 11:19:00 GMT
To Shiney...
As per usual your response is complete drivel. |
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Jul 22, 2021 11:24:50 GMT
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Post by pantah on Jul 22, 2021 11:24:50 GMT
I voted for Brexit and I am neither racist, nor xenophobic. I couldn't give two shits who wants to come into the UK to work and live, as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. The fuck ups in this women's case are, as with many in her position, the procedures which have been put in place to process applications and the bureaucrats running it; the fact that she has been paying tax and national insurance for 30-odd years should make things easier for her stay, not harder! I'm confused Neil. You say you don't give a shit etc, you voted to leave. Can I ask why you voted leave. I'm not trying to be provocative just genuinely interested in the thought process. |
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Jul 22, 2021 11:25:24 GMT
Post by beefus on Jul 22, 2021 11:25:24 GMT
Obviously something has gone very wrong here, being married to a UK citizen and having paid tax and NI all her working life there shouldn't be any issues, but I think her employers have jumped the gun through fear of being fined and/or not reading the guidance....and unfortunately she's stuck in a huge queue of applications that the system can't handle properly. I don't think bringing 'racism' to this article adds anything, it's nothing to do with race. |
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Jul 22, 2021 11:26:27 GMT
Post by beefus on Jul 22, 2021 11:26:27 GMT
I voted for Brexit and I am neither racist, nor xenophobic. I couldn't give two shits who wants to come into the UK to work and live, as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. The fuck ups in this women's case are, as with many in her position, the procedures which have been put in place to process applications and the bureaucrats running it; the fact that she has been paying tax and national insurance for 30-odd years should make things easier for her stay, not harder! +1 Neilf...that about sums it up for me too (even though, had I been able to I wouldn't have voted for Brexit, I don't believe that everyone who did is some rabid far-right racist) |
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Jul 22, 2021 11:46:12 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Jul 22, 2021 11:46:12 GMT
I don't believe that everyone who did is some rabid far-right racist Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist but you can bet the hole in your arse that everyone who is a racist voted for Brexit and so far it's the economic disaster that remainers predicted. The fishing industry was fucked overnight, farming is hot on its heels, Northern Ireland is a clusterfuck, the government is having to bribe car manufacturers not to leave. So far the only winners are the "send-em-all-back" brigade. |
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Jul 22, 2021 12:02:24 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Jul 22, 2021 12:02:24 GMT
I voted for Brexit and I am neither racist, nor xenophobic. I couldn't give two shits who wants to come into the UK to work and live, as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. Problem is Neil, that ending freedom of movement was central to it so it's considerably more difficult for anyone to come here and work, just as it's more difficult for us to live, study and work in Europe. I fail to see how this is a win for anyone. And it's a myth that people come here for benefits. They'll get better benefits almost anywhere else in Europe. The fuck ups in this women's case are, as with many in her position, the procedures which have been put in place to process applications and the bureaucrats running it; the fact that she has been paying tax and national insurance for 30-odd years should make things easier for her stay, not harder! I'm quite sure the same arguments were made for the victims of Windrush. A lifetime of tax and NI are worth fuck all if you don't have ze correct papers! |
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Jul 22, 2021 12:05:50 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 22, 2021 12:05:50 GMT
I don't believe that everyone who did is some rabid far-right racist Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist but you can bet the hole in your arse that everyone who is a racist voted for Brexit and so far it's the economic disaster that remainers predicted. The fishing industry was fucked overnight, farming is hot on its heels, Northern Ireland is a clusterfuck, the government is having to bribe car manufacturers not to leave. So far the only winners are the "send-em-all-back" brigade. |
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Jul 22, 2021 12:07:15 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 22, 2021 12:07:15 GMT
I voted for Brexit and I am neither racist, nor xenophobic. I couldn't give two shits who wants to come into the UK to work and live, as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. The fuck ups in this women's case are, as with many in her position, the procedures which have been put in place to process applications and the bureaucrats running it; the fact that she has been paying tax and national insurance for 30-odd years should make things easier for her stay, not harder! Yep, I'll second that. |
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Jul 22, 2021 14:08:06 GMT
Post by neilf on Jul 22, 2021 14:08:06 GMT
I voted for Brexit and I am neither racist, nor xenophobic. I couldn't give two shits who wants to come into the UK to work and live, as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. The fuck ups in this women's case are, as with many in her position, the procedures which have been put in place to process applications and the bureaucrats running it; the fact that she has been paying tax and national insurance for 30-odd years should make things easier for her stay, not harder! I'm confused Neil. You say you don't give a shit etc, you voted to leave. Can I ask why you voted leave. I'm not trying to be provocative just genuinely interested in the thought process. Do you know what, only a handful of people have ever asked which way I voted in the referendum! "I don't give two shit who wants to come into the UK to work and live..."; My voting to leave the EU was not based on colour, creed, race, country, identified gender, religion etc. I've travelled through and visited countries on 4 continents, having enjoyed the cultural experience and consider myself lucky to have done so. From this perspective, as I previously inferred/stated, all are welcome in the UK as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. So, do not consider myself a racist or a xenophobe. My reason for voting to leave is that I feel that the UK can stand on it's own two feet and still form strong ties with the EU, whilst forming others with countries outside the block. The technical and manufacturing skills in the UK are such that I feel that we can be world leaders, not being ham strung by EU derived legislation saying who and who not we can trade with. Going back to my earlier statement of "sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system", I also believe that any short fall in "cheap", ex-soviet block immigrant labour can be filled by the UK population. I personally know of at least 5 people who have not lifted a finger wrt to working in the 30+ since they left school and it's not because they incapable due to illness/circumstance... they have played the benefit system and, for one reason or another, haven gotten away with it. I'm all for people getting help if they ae genuinely deserving of it, but I cannot abide free loaders who expect everything given to them on a plate. |
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Jul 22, 2021 14:08:54 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 22, 2021 14:08:54 GMT
I voted for Brexit and I am neither racist, nor xenophobic. I couldn't give two shits who wants to come into the UK to work and live, as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. Problem is Neil, that ending freedom of movement was central to it so it's considerably more difficult for anyone to come here and work, just as it's more difficult for us to live, study and work in Europe. I fail to see how this is a win for anyone. And it's a myth that people come here for benefits. They'll get better benefits almost anywhere else in Europe. The fuck ups in this women's case are, as with many in her position, the procedures which have been put in place to process applications and the bureaucrats running it; the fact that she has been paying tax and national insurance for 30-odd years should make things easier for her stay, not harder! I'm quite sure the same arguments were made for the victims of Windrush. A lifetime of tax and NI are worth fuck all if you don't have ze correct papers! 1.2 million British expats in the EU. 6 million EU Citizens applying for UK Settlement status. Now remind me why you think the EU is a better place than the UK? Before you say it, I’m a racist bigoted xenophobic fascist mouth breather that can’t reach your dizzy heights of moral high ground! But it would be nice just for once if you could answer the question instead of the usual predictable reply. |
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Jul 22, 2021 14:11:39 GMT
Post by jsrace on Jul 22, 2021 14:11:39 GMT
I'm confused Neil. You say you don't give a shit etc, you voted to leave. Can I ask why you voted leave. I'm not trying to be provocative just genuinely interested in the thought process. Do you know what, only a handful of people have ever asked which way I voted in the referendum! "I don't give two shit who wants to come into the UK to work and live..."; My voting to leave the EU was not based on colour, creed, race, country, identified gender, religion etc. I've travelled through and visited countries on 4 continents, having enjoyed the cultural experience and consider myself lucky to have done so. From this perspective, as I previously inferred/stated, all are welcome in the UK as long as they can contribute to society in a meaningful way, by not sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system. So, do not consider myself a racist or a xenophobe. My reason for voting to leave is that I feel that the UK can stand on it's own two feet and still form strong ties with the EU, whilst forming others with countries outside the block. The technical and manufacturing skills in the UK are such that I feel that we can be world leaders, not being ham strung by EU derived legislation saying who and who not we can trade with. Going back to my earlier statement of "sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system", I also believe that any short fall in "cheap", ex-soviet block immigrant labour can be filled by the UK population. I personally know of at least 5 people who have not lifted a finger wrt to working in the 30+ since they left school and it's not because they incapable due to illness/circumstance... they have played the benefit system and, for one reason or another, haven gotten away with it. I'm all for people getting help if they ae genuinely deserving of it, but I cannot abide free loaders who expect everything given to them on a plate. Nail on head springs to mind. |
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Jul 22, 2021 14:45:01 GMT
My reason for voting to leave is that I feel that the UK can stand on it's own two feet and still form strong ties with the EU, whilst forming others with countries outside the block. The technical and manufacturing skills in the UK are such that I feel that we can be world leaders, not being ham strung by EU derived legislation saying who and who not we can trade with. That's fair enough Neil but the reality is that labour costs are much lower in the far East. This low cost may be offset to some extent by transport costs therefore it's more cost effective and environmentally friendly to sell your manufactured goods to your near neighbours rather than ship them to the other side of the world. We were already in the world's biggest free trading bloc that allowed us to do that. We are now in the ludicrous position of doing beef deals with Australia while our fishing and farming industries have lost their European market. All predicted. We are also alone and desperate for deals and, as the NI protocol has shown, our negotiatiors are clowns so we're vulnerable. Going back to my earlier statement of "sponging off an already overstretched and underfunded benefit system", I also believe that any short fall in "cheap", ex-soviet block immigrant labour can be filled by the UK population. I personally know of at least 5 people who have not lifted a finger wrt to working in the 30+ since they left school and it's not because they incapable due to illness/circumstance... they have played the benefit system and, for one reason or another, haven gotten away with it. I'm all for people getting help if they ae genuinely deserving of it, but I cannot abide free loaders who expect everything given to them on a plate. The proportion of people who "don't want to work" is tiny. Up to July 2020, only 1% had been unemployed for over 12 months. If you assume that only 50% of those want to work then that leaves just 0.5% who are "work-shy." Given the vast amount of other shite my taxes are spunked on, I'm happy with that particular burden. Eastern Europeans will come here and do shite work for low pay but also live in cramped multiple occupation accommodation to do so. So how do we replace this workforce? Labour camps? Is it not better to welcome these workers here, let them do the work and pay taxes and treat the 0.5% as a social issue? Ultimately, leaving the EU was an extremely complex scenario that was rushed into without sufficient consideration to the important issues. It should never have gone to a public referendum because nobody understood what they were voting for, despite claims to the contrary. |
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