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Post by bella on Apr 3, 2017 15:16:10 GMT
To me there's no doubt Rea will walk it, Fogarty says he is the best british rider anywhere right now and you can see why, if the others want to run his pace they'll be falling sometime or other.
He'd do a good Moto GP seat justice.
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Post by mysterio on Apr 4, 2017 20:40:55 GMT
To me there's no doubt Rea will walk it, Fogarty says he is the best british rider anywhere right now and you can see why, if the others want to run his pace they'll be falling sometime or other. He'd do a good Moto GP seat justice. I listened to that Fogarty interview and while he has his opinion, to me its disrespectful to Crutchlow. Rea is a very good rider BUT hes not riding at the top level, that's fact not opinion. Crutchlow achieved something which no British rider managed in 30 years. For Crutchlow to win a race on a given Sunday he had to beat Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo and Marquez (not mentioning the fact he was on a satellite bike). Rea had to beat Sykes, Davies and Giugliano. The level of opposition is leagues apart. Not forgetting that Fogarty believed he would have beaten Doohan due to his legendary corner speed, so i wouldn't necessarily believe everything he says. |
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Post by bella on Apr 4, 2017 21:05:01 GMT
I've never given it serious thought as to whether Rea is the best british rider at the moment but I have been saying for a few years that he should be on a good Moto GP bike.
Fogarty's opinion of his good self can be taken with a pinch of salt but his opinions now he doesn't race have to be worth listening to.
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Post by neilf on Apr 5, 2017 7:44:12 GMT
I've never given it serious thought as to whether Rea is the best british rider at the moment but I have been saying for a few years that he should be on a good Moto GP bike. Fogarty's opinion of his good self can be taken with a pinch of salt but his opinions now he doesn't race have to be worth listening to. Foggy, IMO  , would have been a regular top 5 finisher in 500GPs on the right bike during the "Doohan" era i.e. '94 - '99, and definitely top 10 material when Rainey, Gardner, Schwantz, Lawson etc. were also in the mix. Cal has done unbelievably well in MotoGP, but I believe that Rea has more natural talent. Cal, by his own admission, has to really work at being fast; JR make it look easy. I doubt that Rea would even consider entering GP at this point in his career unless it was on a factory support bike. |
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Post by mysterio on Apr 5, 2017 16:46:34 GMT
I agree about Fogarty, I always thought he would go well in GP's (not better than Doohan for the record). That's the problem with riders like Fogarty and Rea, there's always gonna be that question of 'what if.....'. Shame really as it would have been interesting to see him up against the highest class of opposition.
I guess the only way you would you would see him in GP is if Kawasaki re-entered and threw a shed load of money at him, unfortunately the chances of Kawasaki back in GP is fuck all.
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Post by beefus on Apr 5, 2017 17:50:32 GMT
8th at Missno in 2012 on the Repsol RCV......not bad, although he was probably under strict instructions not to drop it!!....
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Post by bella on Apr 7, 2017 13:16:50 GMT
He did a couple of stand in rides as I recall, something two 8ths and like you say probably with instructions to bring it home, so he was pretty good.
Regarding Fogarty, as brilliant as he was I thought he couldn't match those top guns of the early 90s, top 7 or 8 at best.
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Post by mysterio on Apr 7, 2017 16:16:06 GMT
Carrying on the theme about Rea. Going on the basis that he picks up his third straight title (barring multiple mechanicals or a hideous injury) , hypothetically what level of GP bike would you consider if you was in Reas position? My initial thought is that he's too old but looking at WSB in recent years we have had some relatively old champions in Bayliss and Biaggi. Could he afford to have a go at GP's and if it doesn't work he will probably have the safety net of WSB or even BSB.
I wonder if he would consider a Pramac type level of ride?
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Post by bella on Apr 8, 2017 14:18:49 GMT
I reckon the factory teams are out of reach but something like Tech 3 or Pramac would be a good choice, Rea may not win a GP but I think he'd do as well as any of the second level blokes.
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Post by hoppur on Apr 11, 2017 21:22:56 GMT
I reckon the factory teams are out of reach but something like Tech 3 or Pramac would be a good choice, Rea may not win a GP but I think he'd do as well as any of the second level blokes. Yep. I like Rea a lot, and I think he is a very good rider, but I don't think he is alien material. And, at the moment, there are quite a lot of guys that are just a notch below alien material, so there isn't much incentive for him to go or for anyone to take a chance on him. |
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Post by neilf on Apr 12, 2017 9:18:34 GMT
The thing is with "aliens", and I hate that term with a passion, is that you don't really know how a rider will perform until they are on a competitive bike in MotoGP; you can have your suspicions, but without hard evidence, you cannot make an informed judgement. Take Viñales as an example. People had their suspicions that he could be a title contender, but no one really knew for certain if it was the GSX-RR or him; was Silverstone a fluke? Multiple tests on the M1 and two race wins on the trot have given us the evidence that we need.
Rea's two rides on Stoners RCV demonstrated to me that he has the ability to finish in the top 10 in MotoGP on a factory bike, with minimal testing, and that is all we know. In WSB, his two championships on the ZX-10R has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Fireblade is a pup; everyone felt that given the right bike, JR would be able to realistically challenge for the title, but until it happened...! If Rea were to land a ride on an factory supported RCV (e.g. LCR) or an M1 (Tech3), the latter IMO would be a really good pairing, he would match Cal's achievements sooner that Cal did (if that makes sense); but again, this is just a gut feeling.
Rea spent far too many years riding for Honda! Michael van der Mark had the right idea an left after 2 years on the Blade. He knew that he would not get any further than the occasional podiums and top 5 at the best. Whether or not his move to the R1M will will turn out to be a good idea is yet to be seen. OF course, he may have taken the ride because it offers a better route in MotoGP with Yamaha.
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Post by bella on Apr 12, 2017 21:40:16 GMT
Agree with everything said in the last two posts, I think it was Misano WSBK that got me thinking Rea was really good, he was under pressure from Melandri the whole race and never put a wheel wrong on that outdated Fireblade against a bloke that pushed Rossi really hard on many an occasion just a couple of years previously .
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Post by hoppur on Apr 17, 2017 17:05:18 GMT
The thing is with "aliens", and I hate that term with a passion, is that you don't really know how a rider will perform until they are on a competitive bike in MotoGP; you can have your suspicions, but without hard evidence, you cannot make an informed judgement. Take Viñales as an example. People had their suspicions that he could be a title contender, but no one really knew for certain if it was the GSX-RR or him; was Silverstone a fluke? Multiple tests on the M1 and two race wins on the trot have given us the evidence that we need. Rea's two rides on Stoners RCV demonstrated to me that he has the ability to finish in the top 10 in MotoGP on a factory bike, with minimal testing, and that is all we know. In WSB, his two championships on the ZX-10R has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Fireblade is a pup; everyone felt that given the right bike, JR would be able to realistically challenge for the title, but until it happened...! If Rea were to land a ride on an factory supported RCV (e.g. LCR) or an M1 (Tech3), the latter IMO would be a really good pairing, he would match Cal's achievements sooner that Cal did (if that makes sense); but again, this is just a gut feeling. Rea spent far too many years riding for Honda! Michael van der Mark had the right idea an left after 2 years on the Blade. He knew that he would not get any further than the occasional podiums and top 5 at the best. Whether or not his move to the R1M will will turn out to be a good idea is yet to be seen. OF course, he may have taken the ride because it offers a better route in MotoGP with Yamaha. I actually hate the "alien" term as well, but it is convenient sometimes. Rea has been good in WSBK on top equipment, but as you said that's not really conclusive. I'm no Ben Spies fan, but I think his year in WSBK clearly showed he was ready for MotoGP. He won on a good bike that probably wasn't the best on the grid, and he did it with an incredible amount of bad luck thrown in as well (his team forgetting to put enough fuel in the damn bike at Monza, for example). It seems pretty clear that Spies was a full notch above the rest of the field, as much as I hate to admit it. With Rea, it's just so hard to tell. Clearly he is a notch above Sykes, but that's not saying much at all. |
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Post by gary on Apr 18, 2017 2:06:57 GMT
Remember that Rea looked pretty good on the piece of shit Honda too, and that is saying something.
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, would have been a regular top 5 finisher in 500GPs on the right bike during the "Doohan" era i.e. '94 - '99, and definitely top 10 material when Rainey, Gardner, Schwantz, Lawson etc. were also in the mix.
