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Jerez
Oct 21, 2017 6:12:43 GMT
Post by philthewindsurfer on Oct 21, 2017 6:12:43 GMT
Seems an early start, FP3 at 7:45 and SP 9:30 UK time.
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Jerez
Oct 21, 2017 16:22:53 GMT
Post by beefus on Oct 21, 2017 16:22:53 GMT
Unlucky Melandri.....I doubt Rea would’ve caught him but, another win for JR. good 4th and 6th places for Lowes and Guinters.
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Oct 21, 2017 18:26:27 GMT
Post by Eddie The Bastard on Oct 21, 2017 18:26:27 GMT
552 is the points record I believe. Could be broken this year.
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Oct 25, 2017 10:05:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 10:05:37 GMT
Johnny Rea won another accolade this season. Winner of the most tedious season EVER. I swear I barely watched any of the races live (no Saturday ones) and spent most of them on fast forward after the first couple of laps.
The quality of riders and bike combined is poor beyond belief at the moment, I don't even know who'd sponsor some of them as you never see them once the 1st few corners are over. Hopefully new rules will help but Rea can take all the records and it'll be worth shit compared to the Foggy and Toseland era.
Tom Sykes is either thick skinned or like the kid that doesn't even get he's getting piss taken. He needs to move to another team or do BSB. Davies is a bottler can has crashed away his last 3 years of title challenges and Melandri is clearly not Melandri anymore.
What a shambles. Not even going to mention others as nobody else even matters in the current state of affairs.
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Post by Droog on Oct 25, 2017 14:02:57 GMT
Personally I always thought WSB was in danger when GP went four stroke. Instead of dumbing down the rules, WSB should have gone full Banzai. They should have brought back the carbon brakes and allowed anything and everything to be done as long as it remained standard crankcases, frame and the silhouette was stock. Even those rules would have been interpreted in different ways but so what. Obviously since Dorna took control they have gradually turned it into a stock class on slicks. It won't be long before they make it full superstock rules.
Rea is fast but boring. So is Davies to a lesser extent. Camier and Lowes still have a bit of swagger left in them and if they can become competitive then maybe things will change? What we need in the short term is the return of wild cards and a couple of fast American and Australian riders. WSB was always at it's best when the top guys were from the UK, USA and AUS with the odd mad European thrown in. Add a token fast Japenese rider who could challenge the established riders at select tracks and we are back to the mid 90's heyday.
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Post by matt989 on Oct 25, 2017 22:01:55 GMT
New rules out today to try to even it up a little, rev limits and suspension price cap mainly I think it was, but can't see it making that much difference. One thing I will say (although biased!) is that the new WSS 300 class this year has produced some great racing, generally been the most enjoyable class of the meetings
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Oct 26, 2017 7:16:56 GMT
Post by beefus on Oct 26, 2017 7:16:56 GMT
I can't honestly say I get to bothered if I miss a WSB round these days...I don't get BSB live but from what I read on here its much better racing than WSB.
Are they still doing this pointless grid position swap in 2018?
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Oct 26, 2017 17:14:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 17:14:22 GMT
The talent funnel just feeds motogp now. Every hot kid will never go the WSB route but sadly not even retired Motogp stars seem to be able to make a difference. There are no more fast italians, spaniards or japanese that haven't been discovered and if they are they won't end up in WSB. The talent gets spotted very early these days and it's rare any real prodigies come through superbike and national superbike routes. Crutchlow must be the last successful rider to make it from WSB and BSB. Japan doesn't even have those blisteringly fast test rider types anymore.
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Oct 31, 2017 18:44:46 GMT
Post by masonmart on Oct 31, 2017 18:44:46 GMT
It has been an unresolved question since the start. High cost works machinery and a series to match GP or Superstock, low cost bikes that anybody can just buy and race. The Flammini brothers tried to make the first option happen and failed, it failed because he allowed Ducati to enter out and out factory racers and he failed because in the end the Japanese stopped him because no matter how much money they poured in nobody could win unless they ran a V-twin (as Honda eventually did to win). I think we'd all accept now that WSB can't match GP, there can and should be only one truly WC series. For me this leaves only one option and that is that we go back to the original roots of WSB where we have only homologated bikes (sales in the several thousands) and homologated WSB kits. The kits would represent mild tuning with the main cost being in parts that increase safety at speed such as improved braking and handling. The emphasis would be on standardisation and cost control.
I agree with using rpm as the main control because engines last longer at lower rpm and power is directly proportional to rpm. For me the key to it all is stopping the factories competing against each other in WSB as well as GP and to nudge Kawasaki into GP rather than taking the easier fruit in WSB. I don't agree with standard bikes as only well financed and resourced teams should be able to enter so tuning commensurate with say <£0.5 MM bikes as a target would be good and total budget maybe <50% of GP. Factories can supply bikes that meet the technical regs but not directly or indirectly enter teams or specially prepared bikes.
What I do see though is that WSB can only ever be to GP what WTC is to F1, it can't and should never be a competitor to GP. I'd also change the rules to stop Ducati doing what it has in the past to ruin WSB by means of capacity advantage. I for one would prefer to see a standard capacity of 1000cc and if any manufacturer doesn't make a suitable bike then tough.
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Jerez
Oct 31, 2017 19:04:09 GMT
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Post by matt989 on Oct 31, 2017 19:04:09 GMT
Thankfully Ducati have listened to your years of moaning Mason and will have a 1000cc bike from 2019
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Jerez
Oct 31, 2017 21:52:38 GMT
Post by masonmart on Oct 31, 2017 21:52:38 GMT
Thankfully Ducati have listened to your years of moaning Mason and will have a 1000cc bike from 2019 So my moaning was eventually correct?
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Jerez
Oct 31, 2017 22:08:08 GMT
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Post by matt989 on Oct 31, 2017 22:08:08 GMT
Thankfully Ducati have listened to your years of moaning Mason and will have a 1000cc bike from 2019 So my moaning was eventually correct? No, market forces were! The massively oversquare engine in the Panigale is already some considerable distance from the 'traditional' Ducati engine, so it's not really a massive step to V4. The revs the Panigale does in sbk trim is just plain bonkers when you look at the size of the pistons
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Nov 1, 2017 9:20:16 GMT
Post by masonmart on Nov 1, 2017 9:20:16 GMT
So my moaning was eventually correct? No, market forces were! The massively oversquare engine in the Panigale is already some considerable distance from the 'traditional' Ducati engine, so it's not really a massive step to V4. The revs the Panigale does in sbk trim is just plain bonkers when you look at the size of the pistons Correct Matt, the revs that the Ducatis achieved were the basis of the 30 year cheat. For me they would also have won a couple more WC's with a better rider than Chas Davies the Panigale are so good. I look forward to them now competing on an equal basis for the first time but I'm sure that the GP based V4 that they homologate will be more than competitive than the bread and butter i4's and the cycle will start again with the other manufacturers having to produce and homologate higher spec V4's than, for example Aprillia have so far. In many ways that would be good and I trust Dorna to come up with rules that will stop Ducati from re-establishing any rule based advantage. From what they say this would be a lower rev limit for V4's? Hopefully there is a resurgence in the fortunes of WSB though as a result. So far Dorna have got everything right so I'm hopeful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:41:16 GMT
The answer is sitting there in the form of BSB rules.
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Jerez
Nov 1, 2017 10:27:54 GMT
Post by masonmart on Nov 1, 2017 10:27:54 GMT
That would be another great option Mekon.
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