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Post by mekon on Aug 23, 2022 11:32:50 GMT
I sort of agree with what is being said here www.gpone.com/it/blog/paolo-scalera/2022/08/22/from-hero-to-zero-la-brutta-storia-di-gardner-e-fernandez.html?refresh_ceI think the problem is the FQ effect has been too strong. Teams have become too willing to take a chance on younger and younger riders. But like he says there are no heroes when you don't get enough time to build up characters. Biaggi stayed as 250 champion for 4 years before he moved up. These days he'd have won in 1994 and been in 500s the next year. Rossi would have probably gone from winning in 125s to 500. The whole show is suffering a bit with lack of 'character'. Yeah this is perhaps the loss of Rossi but I think we need to somehow inject some x-factor. The riders are so closely scrutinised though that one wrong move on social media and you've problems. Can you imagine prime Fogarty on social media? He'd be the Donald Trump of motorsport. Maybe superbike will benefit if this talent has nowhere to go? |
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Aug 23, 2022 18:39:11 GMT
I guess it is another by product of the instant nature of modern life.
Was it really that long ago that you had to wait for a paper publication to find out results? Now pretty much everything is live.
Maybe motogp pay too much? The main event this weekend was shite. Why would a young rider aspire to that?
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Aug 26, 2022 11:41:43 GMT
KTM's form of management is questionable but on the other hand you have extremes like Yamaha with Morbidelli... one team fires a Moto 2 world champ for not producing immediate results while another keeps on an apparent back marker with little prospect of improvement... go figure!
The Darren Binder issue is a red herring though, everyone knows he got that ride through carefully worded legal pressures.
In the end, the new style of rider management seems to be that if you throw enough shit, some of it will stick. Instead of investing time and effort in development of talent, it is just take the next one in the queue and see if he is the new Marc, if not, next please.
This will surely happen with Ogura, Acosta, Vieti etc. because the queue is long, the supply outweighs the demand and I don't think this was the case in the past, teams had to invest in and develop riders with potential, even if they didn't hit the ground running.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Aug 26, 2022 12:35:07 GMT
I guess it is another by product of the instant nature of modern life.
Was it really that long ago that you had to wait for a paper publication to find out results? Now pretty much everything is live. Maybe motogp pay too much? The main event this weekend was shite. Why would a young rider aspire to that? Maybe today we demand instant gratification and entertainment. 1991 Austrian race. Was it wet? www.motogp.com/en/gp-results/1991/AUT/500cc/RAC/Classification |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Aug 26, 2022 12:57:26 GMT
KTM's form of management is questionable but on the other hand you have extremes like Yamaha with Morbidelli... one team fires a Moto 2 world champ for not producing immediate results while another keeps on an apparent back marker with little prospect of improvement... go figure! If you cant turn a Moto2 champ into a decent MotoGP rider, something has seriously gone wrong. |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Aug 26, 2022 13:17:29 GMT
KTM's form of management is questionable but on the other hand you have extremes like Yamaha with Morbidelli... one team fires a Moto 2 world champ for not producing immediate results while another keeps on an apparent back marker with little prospect of improvement... go figure! If you cant turn a Moto2 champ into a decent MotoGP rider, something has seriously gone wrong. But that's the point Mr. W.Surfer. Nobody does any "turning into". It's the rider who has to instantly adapt on his own and show signs of being WC material withing the first half of his first season. So far there have been 11 Moto 2 champions, but only 1 of them has become MGP WC. Only 5 of them have even won a MGP race (and one of those only won one). Not exactly a high hit rate is it? |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Aug 26, 2022 15:09:28 GMT
If you cant turn a Moto2 champ into a decent MotoGP rider, something has seriously gone wrong. But that's the point Mr. W.Surfer. Nobody does any "turning into". It's the rider who has to instantly adapt on his own and show signs of being WC material withing the first half of his first season. So far there have been 11 Moto 2 champions, but only 1 of them has become MGP WC. Only 5 of them have even won a MGP race (and one of those only won one). Not exactly a high hit rate is it? I was agreeing. 1 of the things going wrong is the short time given to adapt. You wont get the same rate of improvement in MotoGP as 2 & 3 because the best people in MotoGP dont move on until they retire. The KTM bosses seem to think that getting lucky and finding a new MM or FQ for their bike in 1 season is a better plan than developing the rider as well as the bike. |
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Post by mekon on Aug 26, 2022 16:14:18 GMT
The KTM thing is hard to judge because it does appear the whole effort has stalled this year. Once the motivation is gone that 50% of rider performance. Look at Fernandez, gives zero fucks apparently.
Weird to think at one time though half the field would have about 1/3 down on horsepower if you didn't have the factory ride. Those 500 twins had bugger all power
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Aug 26, 2022 20:21:47 GMT
I guess it is another by product of the instant nature of modern life.
Was it really that long ago that you had to wait for a paper publication to find out results? Now pretty much everything is live. Maybe motogp pay too much? The main event this weekend was shite. Why would a young rider aspire to that? Maybe today we demand instant gratification and entertainment. 1991 Austrian race. Was it wet? www.motogp.com/en/gp-results/1991/AUT/500cc/RAC/ClassificationI was still fed up at the disappointing race when I posted. Too many races like that and it won't be just me losing the love of it. |
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