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Post by mekon on Jan 6, 2023 12:48:28 GMT
If I'm reading this correctly, front adjustment is totally banned and rear is only allowed for the start of races. Ducati are crying about it but I think it's a good move. Too much techobollox doesn't add to the racing imo.
Hopefully Ducati won't be as strong in a straight line this year after this.
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Post by neilf on Jan 6, 2023 14:05:04 GMT
If I'm reading this correctly, front adjustment is totally banned and rear is only allowed for the start of races. Ducati are crying about it but I think it's a good move. Too much techobollox doesn't add to the racing imo. Hopefully Ducati won't be as strong in a straight line this year after this. Yeah, I think that you've read that correctly; front RH devices banned for 2023 and rear RH devices for starts only! Hydraulic/mechanical RH devices were a solution to not being able to use electronic versions, so the former wouldn't have appeared on road bikes anyway. Factories go racing to promote the brand and to develop technologies for the road; any future RH devices would've been electronic anyway! |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Jan 9, 2023 11:13:02 GMT
Does an innovation in prototype racing have to have a road application to make it valid?
Just asking....
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Post by neilf on Jan 9, 2023 11:29:29 GMT
Does an innovation in prototype racing have to have a road application to make it valid? Just asking.... That seems to be the mentality when it comes to the motorcycle industry; volumes are smaller than cars, so I imagine that manufacturers want to see a return on investment. I've lost touch with F1, but from a manufacturer point of view, do they just supply engines to chassis developers like Mclaren and Williams, or are they more heavily involved these days? |
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Post by paulg on Jan 9, 2023 12:10:13 GMT
The ride height adjust, in a basic form, has been in MX and Supermoto for as long as I can remember...I dont see why it needs banning. The bikes have the best part of 250bhp for fucks sake...You do need some control sometimes!
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Post by mekon on Jan 9, 2023 13:29:45 GMT
I don't go with the road development thing. Most people can't get the best out of a 1991 CBR600. I'd guess a large percentage of bikers aren't even in to teararsing anymore. You don't see it much like you used to, BLOODY BIKERS as a gang went past at 130 doing made overtakes. Road will go electric so pushing the limits of ICE performance seems to have little relevance going forward.
The problem is probably entertainment. More electronics seem to reduce difference in rider skillsets and mean the racing is getting a bit uniform. You can't outcorner people, you can't ride to outgrip them out of corners. The only place riders seem to be able to pull it out of the hat is braking zones and all this running behind high tyre pressure stuff is ruining that. Didn't Dorna push this matter intially? I imagine like F1, they need to inject some excitement back into it.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Jan 9, 2023 15:16:47 GMT
If innovation needs to be road relevant they shouldn't be racing on slicks.
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Post by neilf on Jan 9, 2023 15:39:37 GMT
If innovation needs to be road relevant they shouldn't be racing on slicks. Good point! |
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Post by spuu on Jan 9, 2023 15:52:31 GMT
GP is all about innovation. And sometimes they do stuff which filters down to roadbikes which can only be a good thing. The idea is not to get the rider from A to B in a faster time. Its about making it a better experience and safer ride. I cant imagine there are many people out there who flip the anti-wheelie on and think great I can get to the bike meet 1min faster tonight. Its about knowing you have that safteynet that you can crack the throttle wihtout the risk of looping the thing. And it works as the technology is so good now - its not intrusive - you can feel the thing working and its impressive.
Thats not to say that anything should be allowed without consideration for the sport. If you have basically the whole grid of riders saying that the ride height devices mean they are now so on the limit that overtaking is becoming impossible without huge risk, they should be listened to. There is no right or wrong for this kind of scenario - its always going to be a compromise of sorts.
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