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Post by beefus on Mar 23, 2021 6:46:04 GMT
Jonathon Pie joins the dots...spot on.
I think we’re heading down a dangerous path and it will impact freedom of speech in years to come, we’re actually becoming more authoritarian, it’s what we (i.e the West) have been criticising the former Soviet bloc of doing for decades.
Minority Report here we come.
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Post by mekon on Mar 23, 2021 6:48:43 GMT
Cunt.
It's very worrying. Maybe all the tinfoil hat people were right about what the end result of covid actually is.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 23, 2021 8:43:04 GMT
I haven't looked at the police bill in detail, has anybody, but I got the impression they were trying to limit the time for protests so that people could make their point in a protest peacefully and safely, then later on they could all go home. I've seen too many peaceful protests which give scum a chance to turn protests into an anti-police violent riot. They dont kick off from the start, its after dark, later in the evening. eg Bristol, people attacking a police station, 21 officers injured.
Does it really say you cant make a bit of noise, use a megaphone to make a speech?
As for Mr Pie, he made a point in his video about KEYBOARD WARRIORS WITH CAPS LOCK ON IN OVERDRIVE, making it in a shouty animated manner. Whats the difference? KEYBOARD WARRIORS wont fix anything, neither will MR SHOUTY. If at the end he had said 'If you have a view on this, doesnt matter what your view is, contact your elected MP as they are paid money to listen to your views and vote the way the public want.' I would have some respect for the bloke. As it stands he has a following on youtube for being a shouty video blogger. For sure he will fire up the outrage bus at the Bill, but that achieves nothing.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 23, 2021 8:55:44 GMT
To add, have a look at the comments. Its just full of shit from people quoting 1982, the countries going down the shitter, blah fucking blah. Not one person writing what to actually do about it. Christ on a bike, we have heard a lot about wanting elected officials to run our country for years, go away the nasty EU unelected officials, but not one comment which says what to do about it. Full of keyboard warriors if you ask me. Write to your MP! This comment made me laugh though, nice one Alif! Calling protesters a bit noisy to silence them is the most British form of free-speech suppression I could have imagined. We like a bit of humour, have a look at the number of 'likes' he gets compared to the other tossers.  |
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Post by mekon on Mar 23, 2021 9:02:31 GMT
The bill won't stop any previously illegal behaviour. It's like saying rape is illegal so nobody will rape. Those that want to hijack and turn violent will still do so.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 23, 2021 9:12:14 GMT
One comment I head someone make was the police have enough powers as it stands to stop violent behaviour. As you say, just making something already illegal 'more illegal' wont stop people wanting a riot, they will do it anyway.
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Post by mekon on Mar 23, 2021 10:18:34 GMT
I could never understand some legislation that already has legislation in place. Like hate crime. If I kick your teeth out randomly why is that different to anything else. End result is kicked out teeth.
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Mar 23, 2021 10:50:16 GMT
Dangerously right wing and dangerously stupid.
Regardless of what you think about the merits of this bill, it will further create a "them and us" type divide between the public and the police and Patel is too focused on authoritarianism to care. The way the police violently handled non-violent women recently (after one of their fucking colleagues had been arrested for abduction and murder!) was a fucking disgrace but expect that to be the norm in future. Different of course when it's a large group of rowdy Rangers fans who are likely to hit back.
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Post by mekon on Mar 23, 2021 11:19:04 GMT
This is probably what happens when you fill the police with soft cunts. My (scottish!!!!) grandad used to be a copper and was a big fucker who was also regiment boxing champion. You look at his old police pics and his colleagues were similar 'hard' men.
Not saying policing is all about having a bare knuckle fight but some of the police you see now couldn't restrain a teenager high on e-numbers (only Granny who dared to sit on a bench with a cheeky Costa). We've got this local woman copper and she's about 5ft tall and looks like a child. I think I could literally pick her up and thrown her through a window. If I was to start rioting and looting I wouldn't give two hoots about that sort of police officer.
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Mar 23, 2021 11:24:32 GMT
Yeah. Call me crazy but I don't think that the role of the police should be oppressive thuggery.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 23, 2021 11:40:10 GMT
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9158/Amends the police powers in the Public Order Act 1986 so police can impose conditions on protests that are noisy enough to cause “intimidation or harassment” or “serious unease, alarm or distress” to bystanders. Including protests consisting of one person.Some people could interpret that as that lone preaching noisy fucker with the megaphone has to go. Is this the problem people have with this bill? Who decides what is “intimidation or harassment” or “serious unease, alarm or distress” to bystanders.Amends the existing police powers associated with unauthorised encampments to lower the threshold at which they can be used. Amendments would also allow the police to remove unauthorised encampments on (or partly on) highways and prohibit unauthorised encampments moved from a site from returning within twelve months.Extinction rebellion blocking roads and pavements which stops people going about their daily business, a good idea. Amend the Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Act 2018 to increase the maximum sentence for assaulting an emergency worker from 12 months to two years.Assaulting Emergency Workers should be punished harder. Current law already gives the police the power to stop protests, this should hopefully link to what was law before today when the latest bill takes affect. www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/14/2008-10-0114Imposing conditions on public assemblies. (1)If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public assembly is being held or is intended to be held, reasonably believes that— (a)it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or (b)the purpose of the persons organising it is the intimidation of others with a view to compelling them not to do an act they have a right to do, or to do an act they have a right not to do,he may give directions imposing on the persons organising or taking part in the assembly such conditions as to the place at which the assembly may be (or continue to be) held, its maximum duration, or the maximum number of persons who may constitute it, as appear to him necessary to prevent such disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation.
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Post by mekon on Mar 23, 2021 11:44:32 GMT
The police still need to deal with thuggery though.
All we seeing really due to the police being soft is a shift to oppression of old ladies instead of Rangers fans. A recent gypsy funeral had 200 in attendance and the police did nothing. Some groups are now above the law because the police don't want to tackle the harder jobs. You arrange for 20 people to attend a funeral and you'll get fucked.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 23, 2021 11:51:40 GMT
The police still need to deal with thuggery though. All we seeing really due to the police being soft is a shift to oppression of old ladies instead of Rangers fans. A recent gypsy funeral had 200 in attendance and the police did nothing. Some groups are now above the law because the police don't want to tackle the harder jobs. You arrange for 20 people to attend a funeral and you'll get fucked.
Part 4 (clauses 61 to 63) of the Bill would amend the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJPOA) to:
create a new offence of “residing on land without consent in or with a vehicle”.
amend the existing police powers associated with unauthorised encampments in the CJPOA to lower the threshold at which they can be used, allow the police to remove unauthorised encampments on (or partly on) highways and prohibit unauthorised encampments moved from a site from returning within twelve months.
Hopefully this will tackle the long outstanding problem of traveller/gypsies parking up where ever they like and creating a disturbance and mess. At the moment its a long winded process for local councils to get eviction orders. But like you say, the police need to actually do something. |
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Mar 23, 2021 11:52:38 GMT
I confess to not knowing a lot about the UK bill, but it does remind me of the "gagging law" introduced in Spain under the last right wing government. Amongst other things it made it illegal to to use religious swear words (an actor was convicted for using a phrase which equates roughly to "Jesus Fucking Christ" on his instagram page), and to criticise the Spanish royal family (there was a recent arrest and imprisonment of a rapper who perfromed a song in which he called the abdicated king Juan Carlos a thief, which he is by the way).
The socialist government who have now been in power for a few years had vowed in their manifesto to repeal that law, but didn't get round to it very quickly and ironically, as it also contained measures against disobeying authority and has since been used for almost all convictions for breaking Covid restrictions...
You win some, you lose some....
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Mar 23, 2021 12:01:52 GMT
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