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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Dec 18, 2020 12:47:56 GMT
uk.yahoo.com/news/crime-vigilante-killed-motorbike-thief-car-chase-085914379.htmlWhat do you reckon? On one hand, the guy probably didn't deserve to die. And I note that there is no mention of any punishment for seriously injuring the rider, so presumably the judge thought that was OK. On the other hand, I can honestly identify with the bike owner's actions and can honestly see myself doing the same in his circumstances. In short, I think he was unlucky that one of the cunts died and now has a disproportionate punishment, but I won't be losing any sleep over the "loss".
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Post by mekon on Dec 18, 2020 13:04:22 GMT
TFW you steal a motorbike and get caught by a car.....
Good riddance imo. The police are fucking useless. My mate's sister got her bike nicked, we pretty much knew who did it but the police wouldn't even go round their house to investigate! Some bullshit reason and no action taken.
What's more annoying is the guy got 10 years meanwhile all sort of other shit gets nowhere near this.
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Post by neilf on Dec 18, 2020 13:11:57 GMT
Would I give chase? Maybe, but I;m not sure that my 17 year old, clapped out Mondeo TDCi would be up to the challenge! Would I have knocked them off the bike? No! If the bike was insured (no mention that it wasn't), then report the theft and put in a claim. At the end of the day, a bike is only a piece of metal, so why risk putting yourself and others in danger by driving like a cock to exact? The driver could have easily caused a head on collision, knocked over a pedestrian who was crossing the road etc... ... IMHO  |
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Post by mekon on Dec 18, 2020 14:53:45 GMT
Yeah, I guess as I'm insured I'd have left it down the insurance but obviously Romanians don't roll like that.
Question of the day is could you catch your bike with your car?
My RC390 is quite catchable unless you're in the twisties and a bit of a hero. Get an initial get away but those initial bike quick gains are gone by 60 onwards. My Cooper would reel it in dry I think and definitely wet as all the electronics make a big difference. Could I have caught the VFR? Not a chance, thing pulled like fuck to 120 and you just can't catch shit that can do 120 in 10-11s. If I had the TT, once again wet only I think with the 4WD.
Would I think RAM MY OWN BIKE?!? WHAT'S THE POINT!??
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Post by Droog on Dec 18, 2020 17:30:03 GMT
I still do some hot headed stupid things whilst out driving. But I would never ram anyone on a bike with my car. I know I'm in the minority but I don't agree with the police ramming anyone on a bike with their cars. You're very likely to kill someone by doing that. The guy won't do anywhere close to ten years. He will be out within three to four. The other guy who died may have been a scum-bag thief but then he might have just been in a bad situation at the wrong time. Either way I'm not cool with people being killed over possessions. I'm not cool with the police ramming kids off of mopeds no matter what they have done.
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Post by mekon on Dec 18, 2020 21:56:41 GMT
TBH what more frightening is the amount of CCTV out there to piece that footage together!
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Dec 18, 2020 22:41:53 GMT
I think I should clarify.
I have already said that the thieving cunt didn't deserve to die. And yes, I admit that if my car was right there when I saw someone steal my bike I probably would go after them, how far I would go to stop them I am not sure. With rage and adrenaline we do things we don't think we would do...
My question was if 10 years was a fair sentence. The death was an accident. He received no punishment for dangerous driving, no punishment for injuring the rider, so why such a high sentence for the guy who died and who was surely guilty of contributory negligence anyway?
I know he won't do 10 years, but his criminal record will show it.
Tony Martin got 5 years and served 3 for shooting the burglar in his farm house, and that burglar was only gong to ever be a danger to the person he was stealing from. The wanker who stole this bike were going to put more people in danger out on the roads. OK so the bike owner also could have put others in danger, but his actions also mitigated danger to others.
10 years is a piss-take. If he was Anglo -Saxon descent he'd have got 2 years and a driving ban.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Dec 18, 2020 22:47:32 GMT
Yeah, I guess as I'm insured I'd have left it down the insurance but obviously Romanians don't roll like that. Question of the day is could you catch your bike with your car? My RC390 is quite catchable unless you're in the twisties and a bit of a hero. Get an initial get away but those initial bike quick gains are gone by 60 onwards. My Cooper would reel it in dry I think and definitely wet as all the electronics make a big difference. Could I have caught the VFR? Not a chance, thing pulled like fuck to 120 and you just can't catch shit that can do 120 in 10-11s. If I had the TT, once again wet only I think with the 4WD. Would I think RAM MY OWN BIKE?!? WHAT'S THE POINT!?? There's no way my 34 year old BMW would catch even a numpty on my GSXR, but I was leaving that out of the equation! I think it is clear that the owner wasn't trying to save his bike when he rammed them. If he let them go, the bike would be gone anyway, so what did he have to lose (apart from his clean record)? |
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Dec 19, 2020 13:34:47 GMT
Should you be punished for the act or the result? If someone gives you a bit of lip in the street and you smack his jaw, sending him home with a sore face, you're unlikely to ever hear about it again. If he falls and receives a fatal head injury then you're going to prison. Is that right?
10 years for that is brutal but it doesn't mention if it was his first offense which would make a difference.
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Dec 19, 2020 13:37:05 GMT
If he was Anglo -Saxon descent he'd have got 2 years and a driving ban. Correct. He's fortunate he's not black. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Dec 19, 2020 15:31:29 GMT
Its hard to say without knowing all the facts. Did the piece of shit of a criminal who stole the bike bang his head which killed him? He wasnt even wearing a helmet let alone any protective kit. Dinisoae shouldn't have chased after the thieves and knocked them off the bike, but given the general clear up rates of thefts you cant count on plod prosecuting. There is plenty of CCTV. Would plod have bothered to look through it all if Dinisoae had just rung 999? I doubt it. They only went looking through it all as the piece of shit died. I feel sorry for Dinisoae as its fucked up his life in a moment of hot headedness (I assume). I looked at some other papers reports and in the comments section there was no sympathy for the piece of shit who died, I think a go-fund me page (or similar) was talked about to aid him appeal against the sentence. All the media content I've read about the incident goes on about a Romanian citizen vigilante killing Molloy. No mention of the fact that the thieves were serial offenders. Molloy was prosecuted December last year for theft. www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/shoplifter-lands-job-newcastle-city-17282541Molloy, who has 12 past convictions for 18 offences, was arrested after being stopped in the store and found to have the hat down his pants.The other thieving scumbag who didnt die also had a criminal record. www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2014-08-06/five-jailed-in-burglary-crackdownFive men have been jailed as part of a force-wide crackdown on thieves and burglars.
Mikey Dunwiddie, 23, of Arden Crescent, Cowgate, Newcastle, Liam Mattinson, 20, of Rudchester Place in Newcastle, James Coulson, 20, of Dugdale Road in Kenton, and Jamie Lawson, 19, of Shipley Street in Lemington, were all charged with conspiracy to commit burglary. |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Dec 19, 2020 15:52:39 GMT
According to this, the thieves received a lot of serious injuries. If they hadn't been speeding, they wouldn't have been so badly injured. Notice how the headline says 'murdered' even though he was cleared of murder. Its reported that Dinisoae didnt give up his pursuit, hitting the bike more than once. Its not reported that the thieves continued their escape despite being rammed more than once. Legging it over a fence would have been safer. metro.co.uk/2020/11/05/man-murdered-motorcycle-thief-by-using-his-car-as-weapon-to-ram-him-13542315/ |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Dec 19, 2020 15:59:49 GMT
If the bike was insured (no mention that it wasn't), then report the theft and put in a claim. Seems his car wasn't insured, so I would guess the bike wasn't either. The prosecuting QC said the bike wasn't worth much. I dont think that matters, its still theft and the bloke possibly cant afford an expensive bike. It it wasnt worth much, why was it stolen? Serial petty thieving. |
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Post by beefus on Dec 19, 2020 16:16:49 GMT
I definitely wouldn't ram into a tea leaf nicking my bike, and I'd have 2nd thoughts about chasing him in a car...a lot of risk that you might injure or kill a bystander. 10 years is very harsh though. The scum didn't deserve to die but he knew the risks...no helmet?!..
Maybe tougher punishment, like chopping off hands, would be a deterrent? ;-)
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Post by Droog on Dec 19, 2020 17:02:15 GMT
All petty thieves should be punished by being tea bagged by old men. Old men who hate thieves who'd enjoy doing so obviously. You could sign up for it like a jury service. On a serious note, career scum bags are a fucking burden on society. When I lived in Brighton, there were gangs of scum roaming around the streets and parks funding their drug and alcohol addiction with crime. They were a fucking nuisance. What the best way to dealing with people like this is I don't know. Kindness will be taken for weakness. I don't condone people being rammed off of bikes by the public or the police 99% of the time. There will always be exceptions though were extreme force is necessary. In this particular case, I don't think it was by a long shot. The guy just wanted to exact revenge and punish them for taking his stuff. It's a natural feeling to have but I bet he deeply regrets it now. I would have a lot of sympathy if his life had been threatened or they'd harmed his loved ones. But stealing his bike no. If he is prepared to kill someone over a theft, what else is he capable of doing?
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