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Brexit
Nov 16, 2019 12:48:14 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 16, 2019 12:48:14 GMT
Ok, which cunt gave me an oity toity, namby pamby, stick it up your arse, spanky bum slap avatar? 😂
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 16, 2019 12:54:04 GMT
Ok, which cunt gave me an oity toity, namby pamby, stick it up your arse, spanky bum slap avatar? 😂 Not me, but I did wonder why you picked that one. My money is one whoever gave Vazy his. |
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Nov 16, 2019 13:00:01 GMT
Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 16, 2019 13:00:01 GMT
It's utterly depressing isn't it? We're going through the biggest national and constitutional crisis since the war and the whole fucking mess was created by the Tories for the Tories. Remember Cameron claiming the country would be in chaos under Miliband? What we'd give for mere chaos now. You would need to be as thick as absolute fuck to vote Tory now yet many will. And the reason they will is that the alternative is also a fucking bomb scare. I don't think Corbyn is anywhere near as bad as the media is painting him but there's no way I'd vote for him. All his talk of renationalisation is ideological politics and the country has had enough of that shite with the Tories. We are so fucked as a nation with the current political options. I think Corbyn muttered something about free broadbean plants for everyone, he probably got the idea whilst on his allotment. Grow your own, make the country self sufficient. Then someone told him he needed to get with the kids. If he had said we are going after the tax dodgers like Google, FB, Amazon etc, then make that money available to telecomms companies as grants to invest heavily in a better service for everyone then it would be a good idea. At my mum's place in rural Herefordshire I cant even get a decent mobile signal for internet, never mind digging up the country for cable. |
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Nov 16, 2019 13:18:13 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 16, 2019 13:18:13 GMT
I know what you mean, you should try getting any kind of signal in the highlands. I took a train journey across rural Thailand and never lost a data signal once.
Is that really the biggest issue facing the country though? Foodbanks have become normalised. In-work poverty is the worst it's been in living memory. We have a government who went to court to block the release of figures relating to deaths that have occurred due to benefit cuts. Homeless figures have rocketed and not enough people give a fuck. I'm embarrassed about the fucking state we're in.
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Nov 16, 2019 13:28:38 GMT
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 16, 2019 13:28:38 GMT
I was talking to one of our contractor's guys, Yorkshire Steve. "There'll be riots down our way if Brexit doesn't go ahead" he says.
"Why's that Steve?"
"We need out. I've got fuck all. Everyone round our way has got fuck all. The EU has done fuck all for me so let's get out."
The reason Steve has got fuck all is down to the same sinister cunts who have convinced him it's all the EU's fault. Cunts like Reece Mogg and Johnston who will make millions from shorting the £ and ftse when we crash out. Why can't cunts see that it's all about personal gain for these people? Mogg's already been exposed by Ch4 news and didn't even deny it. Brazen as fuck.
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Brexit
Nov 16, 2019 13:48:45 GMT
Post by Droog on Nov 16, 2019 13:48:45 GMT
I vote Labour, I have always voted Labour. But I have not been able to vote Labour for a few years now as I am not voting for the current shower of cunts. Until Corbyn and Abbott are both history at the very least, I just won't support them. I would never vote Tory unless they had a complete radical change of policy. And that's about it from me regarding politics.
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Nov 16, 2019 14:56:37 GMT
Post by Eddie The Bastard on Nov 16, 2019 14:56:37 GMT
Ok, which cunt gave me an oity toity, namby pamby, stick it up your arse, spanky bum slap avatar? 😂 Me. You old one was broken and I wanted to tidy it up. |
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 16, 2019 16:05:31 GMT
You should change your username to Eddie the Bastard.
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Nov 17, 2019 12:44:44 GMT
Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 17, 2019 12:44:44 GMT
uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-politics-labour-mcdonnell/labour-party-plans-to-make-companies-transfer-shares-to-workers-idUKKCN1M30YAI wonder if this will make the manifesto. Basically, in 2018 Labour announced they want to give workers 10% of all a company shares to workers. Give. The employees will get voting rights etc and receive the dividends, but that will be capped at £500 a year, with the surplus going to the government. I picked a company I've had shares in as an example. Its a UK only as multi-national companies would be hard to work out whats what. Hollywood Bowl, who are successful at running bowling alleys. 2018 figures with 10% of shares to employees: Number of shares in circulation 150 million Dividend per share 10.59p Total dividend paid out £15,885,000 Number of workers 2044 Dividend to employee is £777.15 capped at £500 Surplus to government £566,500 (thats 3.57% of the total dividend goes to the government) And Labour say the dividends are “hoarded by the few” Hollywood Bowl have a employee sharesave scheme. I had one at my old workplace where you can buy shares in the company out of your pre-tax pay. Its a good wave of saving and having more of an incentive. If I was investing (or anyone from abroad especially), and Hollywood Bowl offered new shares to the market to raise capital to build more bowling alleys, would I be happy with 10% of the new shares offered being given to employees and as they have hit their cap all the money would go direct to the government? What its doing is reducing return for new investment. Ok, so its 1% to start going up to 10%, but I doubt the £500 cap will rise in line with inflation. www.hollywoodbowlgroup.com/pdfs/Hollywood-Bowl-RNS-FINAL.pdf
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Nov 17, 2019 14:44:40 GMT
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Post by mekon on Nov 17, 2019 14:44:40 GMT
What Sort of economics did anyone expect to come from a Marxist?
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 17, 2019 14:57:40 GMT
This is the problem with ideological politics. On the face of it, you can't really argue with the idea of making employees part owners of the companies they work for but how the fuck do you implement it? Similarly, the privatisation of utilities was the wrong thing to do 30 years ago but that industry has now moulded itself around a marketplace environment and renationalisation would be disastrous.
This is where you have to give the Tories credit, they just steamed ahead with their ideological goals of handing more cash to the wealthy and culling the sick and the poor without giving the slightest of fucks. Hats off to them.
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 17, 2019 15:26:21 GMT
I've voted Labour, Lib Dem and Tory over the years. +1 spoilt ballet paper last time in 2017, drew none of the above box and ticked that.
I dont think I'll ever vote for the Tories again, they have ripped this country apart in many ways and they aren't done yet.
Labour look intent on buying votes by offering free broadband and shares at the cost of shareholders, a lot of whom are pension funds. Those who can save have stocks and shares ISA based on funds which will include the utilities.
Lib Dems have a dodgy revoke Brexit approach to get their votes. Although I voted remain I'm uncomfortable with that approach.
That leaves Green and an Indy to vote for in Poole.
Poole is about a safe a seat for the Tories as you can get, so I dont know why I'm thinking about this TBH.
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Post by elnoodle the reasonable on Nov 17, 2019 15:35:55 GMT
Maybe the SNP should field some candidates in England. Give you some options.
I work for a large utility and have piled a fair bit of cash into their sharesave scheme so aye, I'm a bit nervous about Labour's plans. Similarly, they would have an uphill struggle to fuck the country over more than the Tories have managed. Best option for me appears to be Scottish independence but given how difficult Brexit has proven to be, that's hardly going to be a stroll in the park.
What a fucking mess.
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Nov 17, 2019 15:43:12 GMT
Post by Droog on Nov 17, 2019 15:43:12 GMT
I can't see any English voters voting for Jimmy Kranky though. No matter how shit our choices are, they aint that bad. Or are they?
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Nov 17, 2019 15:59:36 GMT
Post by philthewindsurfer on Nov 17, 2019 15:59:36 GMT
This is the problem with ideological politics. On the face of it, you can't really argue with the idea of making employees part owners of the companies they work for but how the fuck do you implement it? I worked for Barclays for 29 years. There was always had some sort of tax efficient saving involving shares. In the early years they gave all employees a profit share bonus, a % of your salary. It was the same % for all. IIRC it was anywhere between 0 and 8.5%. You could either take it as cash and be taxed on it or take it in shares without being taxed on the amount. You had to keep the shares for 5 years otherwise you were taxed. They moved to performance related bonuses. That ranged from getting sacked from under performing to maybe 20%+ bonus. That gave rise to PPI mis-selling as people chased bonuses or wanted to avoid being sacked. Another additional scheme was you could buy shares pay by saving as you earned (SAYE). You knew the share price you were going to buy at, it was a discounted price as well, 20% off. You had to sign-up for either 3 or 5 years, save up to £250 a month in total. If at the end of the term, if the share price had dropped from the option price, you could take the cash back including a bit of interest. Or you could buy the shares at the fixed option price set at the start. If the share price had risen in the 5 years you were quids in. As that was so good, they stopped the scheme. Remember the big crash in the 1992, the share price dropped to peanuts. Some people I know managed to save £250 a month for 5 years and made a killing. In recent years the scheme has been to buy shares out of your pre-tax pay, a savings incentive plan (SIP). The share price was set each month as an average of a week or so around a set date each month. You still have to keep the shares for 5 years before you sell them tax free. You do need to work for a company which offers such schemes, a government which wants to help people to save and get into holding shares in their company, but most important you need to be able to spare the money to save. In my early years I just spent as I earned. |
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