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Post by roobarb on Jun 9, 2017 19:47:38 GMT
One of the worst campaigns ever against possibly the worst candidate ever to lead a party. Agreed. Paul Nuttall has resigned though, bless his Made in Bangladesh Union Jack cotton socks |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 10:28:26 GMT
I'm guessing the taking the house away bit swung it.
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Jun 10, 2017 12:34:41 GMT
I'm guessing the taking the house away bit swung it. I'm guessing that there were a variety of single reasons or combination of reasons that caused people to review. For example, a mother of two pre school children at work was going to vote blue until the school lunch withdrawal was announced. |
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Post by paulg on Jun 10, 2017 13:48:26 GMT
'The worst candidate ever to lead a party?' You mean the guy that has waded through months of disgraceful personal attacks from the opposite party, the press and his own party, but still managed to gain seats and votes?!
Seeing as most on here sound like Tory voters, whats your thoughts moving forwards and the potential coalition with the DUP?
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Post by paulg on Jun 10, 2017 13:50:56 GMT
Who'd also have thought, contrary to the general perception, that UKIP votes would go back to the Tories, they didnt....most of them went to Labour... Or did the UKIP votes go to the Tories, but even more Tories switched to Labour after they released their manifesto with the dementia tax/house for care idea, and/or Labour seem to be going for a less hard Brexit. Anyway, great coverage on Channel 4 with Jeremy Paxman, Richard Osman, Dave Mitchell providing the laughs, Anne Widecombe trying to be serious all the time, did she realise it was light hearted? Some good stats along the way as well. Agree he C4 coverage was very entertaining. Mitchell for PM with Yanis as his finance minister! |
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Post by philthewindsurfer on Jun 10, 2017 14:25:47 GMT
'The worst candidate ever to lead a party?' You mean the guy that has waded through months of disgraceful personal attacks from the opposite party, the press and his own party, but still managed to gain seats and votes?! Seeing as most on here sound like Tory voters, whats your thoughts moving forwards and the potential coalition with the DUP? The number of personal attacks on Corbyn was 1 of the many reasons why I didn't vote for the Tories this time. I ticked the 'none of the above' box on my ballet paper. The Tories have a massive majority in Poole. Despite Labour's gains, they only had 1/2 as many votes as the Tories. Hopefully the DUP will just agree to vote alongside the Tory in votes and nothing more. I dont know much about NI politics, but someone mentioned on TV yesterday that the Westminster government just oversee the DUP/Sinn Fein government of NI. Too much of a coalition might upset the balance and we dont want Sinn Fein thinking they have been stitched up with anything in the future. |
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Post by beefus on Jun 10, 2017 18:02:04 GMT
Credit to JC, he's hung in there and gained 30 odd seats for a Labour against all the odds, although I could do without the triumphant headlines in the news media.....he didn't actually win the election!!!....A big turnout of young voters no doubt helped, and his money no object spending promises..... The next 12 months will be interesting, will May survive (I don't think so) will there be another GE.  .... At least the Scottish Nasty Party got a kicking.......every cloud and all that.. |
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Jun 10, 2017 18:40:07 GMT
When the election was called I thought it would as good as wipe the reds off the map, so in that context I also give some credit to JC. I used the word 'complacent' in a previous post and as I see it, the blues took far too much for granted. On the basis that the reds overhauling the blues was never going to happen, this has to be the worst result for not just TRESemmé but us all while no doubt the rest of Europe have a chuckle. I kind of admire her 'carry on' attitude, but having to pair up with religious goons is a terrible state of affairs really.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 18:53:50 GMT
I think Paul is right. They turned Corbyn into the underdog with constant attacks.
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Post by hawkwind on Jun 10, 2017 19:41:07 GMT
I am amazed at just how many people have told me that they voted conservative because of the garden tax lie printed in the daily fail and the scum.
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Post by Diego the toe clipper on Jun 10, 2017 22:30:54 GMT
while no doubt the rest of Europe have a chuckle. In my bit of Europe the UK isn't really gettting laughed at (although none of my Spanish colleagues or friends can comprehend the reason for Brexit). Instead it is just seen as messing around and making life difficult for the rest of Europe. Maybe the probrexiteers will find some satisfaction in that. But they don't really care if we stay or go, they just see this as a big pantomime. Like an adolescent kid storming out of the house in a huff, then 20 seconds later, come back in sheepishly with some excuse like "I forgot my keys". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 15:28:56 GMT
Reading the papers today Corbyn perhaps needs a dose of reality about what actually happened. YOU DID NOT WIN! YOU DID NOT COME CLOSE TO WINNING! Stop talking like it was 320 seats each or something and you should be in power. Labour has made NO PROGRESS in pure voting terms since the Tories first got back in. The Tories did not overwhelmingly rejected and likewise Labour did not overwhelmingly put into power.
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Post by Eddie The Bastard on Jun 13, 2017 18:29:18 GMT
Reading the papers today Corbyn perhaps needs a dose of reality about what actually happened. YOU DID NOT WIN! YOU DID NOT COME CLOSE TO WINNING! Stop talking like it was 320 seats each or something and you should be in power. Labour has made NO PROGRESS in pure voting terms since the Tories first got back in. The Tories did not overwhelmingly rejected and likewise Labour did not overwhelmingly put into power. Its all in the game meeks. A bit like TRESemmé declaring nothing had changed on Friday. All part of fronting it out. You could say nobody won and the blue team were the highest placed losers. Over the weekend before the election, sky news were predicting a 100 seat majority for the blues. I'm guessing those two advisers that walked were responsible for the pre-election call risk assessment too. They can only have had an adverse outcome as a very low risk. Its all a bit strange though. The media give the impression though that TRESemmé and those two were almost on a frolic of their own. The 1922s are surely too canny to let that happen. I'm sure the 1922s must have endorsed the election call and maybe that is why she's not been asked to walk either. The media say the blues are shit scared of another election. I actually think they could win big if they rein in the personal attacks, tell Boris to grow up, stop being cuntish (the author of the dementia tax report concluded that the first £72K should be taken and the rest left for the family, so how that turned into take it all save the last £100k I'll never know) and train TRESemmé how to debate. People are still very wary of JC, so a professional campaign could well see them forgiven. We have had election overload of late and I wonder if that is what worries the 1922s. That might be valid because there will be a lot of "fuck sake not another one" if they call one. Its all gone rather quiet even with a Govegrenade as part of the minimal shuffle. Keeping their heads down probably ain't a bad idea. |
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Post by masonmart on Jun 15, 2017 8:23:14 GMT
'The worst candidate ever to lead a party?' You mean the guy that has waded through months of disgraceful personal attacks from the opposite party, the press and his own party, but still managed to gain seats and votes?! Seeing as most on here sound like Tory voters, whats your thoughts moving forwards and the potential coalition with the DUP? You are correct in what you say but I believe that I was too. There were no winners from the election only losers and the biggest was the UK. Ideally we should have a system in the UK like the advertising standards where political manifestos are checked for deliberate misrepresentation. Corbyn was able to make scandalous claims like dropping tuition fees and mass benefit hand outs in the knowledge that he was never going to have to deliver them. On the other hand May committed suicide by proposing a dementia tax and means testing winter heating benefit; she was being honest though based on a clear commitment to reduce the UKs unsustainable government debt. She committed the cardinal sin of threatening to make rich pensioners pay their dues. One day we are going to realise that there is no such thing as Government austerity, they still spend vast amounts of borrowed money yet still overtax everybody apart from the rich. Potential coalition with the DUP? The DUP are a legal and democratically elected political party selected by a majority in NI. I can't really see a problem in that only for the many (me included) who don't really understand the NI people or its political system. |
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Post by roobarb on Jun 15, 2017 16:43:34 GMT
USE THE FORCE, ROOBARB
Something is changing in the UK; I hope it's for the good of everyone.
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